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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by elzbardico »

echelon wrote: post #10
aurareturn wrote: post #2

Just opened Claude app on Mac and saw a popup asking me if it's ok to train on my chats. It's on by default. Unchecked it. I think Claude saw that OpenAI was reaping too much benefit from this so they decided to do it too.

We should be able to train on foundation model outputs. These bastard companies pirated the world's data, then they train on our personal data. But they have the gall to say we can't save their model's inputs and outputs and distill their models.

I am pretty sure they try to do it all the time between themselves. Most of the real sauce in AI coding comes from reinforcement learning, usually done by armies of third world outsourced developers tediously doing all kinds of tasks with instructions to detail their reasoning behind each chance. Things like: "to run this python test in a docker container with the python image we need to install the python package xyz, but then, as it has some native code, we also need to install build-essential..."

While those developers are not well paid (usually around 30/40 USD hour, no benefits), you need a lot of then, so, it is a big temptation to create also as much synthetic data sets from your more capable competitor.

Given the fact that AI companies have this Jihad zeal to achieve their goals no matter what (like, fuck copyright, fuck the environment, etc, etc), it would be naive to believe they don't at least try to do it.

And even if they don't do it directly, their outsourced developers will do it indirectly by using AI to help with their tasks.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by teekert »

episteme wrote: post #38
troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

What will you use instead? I’m finding Claude the best experience since ChatGPT 5 is so slow and not any better answers than 4.

Granted, it is a stretch and not near the features of Claude (no code etc), but at least Proton's Lumo [0] is very privacy oriented.

I have to admit, I've used it a bit over the last days and still reactivated my Claude pro subscription today so... Let's say it's ok for casual stuff? Also useful for casual coding questions. So if you care about it, it's an option.

[0] https://lumo.proton.me/

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #53
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"five year retention". If it's in a model once, it's there forever.

Is that true? Do models get rebuilt from scratch each time or do they get iterated on?

I believe the big models currently get built from scratch (with random starting weights). That wasn't my point though. I meant a model created once, might be used for a very long time. Maybe they even release the weights at one point ("open source").

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by bayindirh »

twoquestions wrote: post #54
bayindirh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trusting companies more than the government always feels strange. It's something I can't grasp.

I 90% agree with you, though Apple did stand up to the FBI some years ago. The US gov't at least is much more restricted on what data it can collect and act on due to the 4th Amendment among other laws, and as another commenter said Apple can't blackbag me to El Salvador. Apple/FBI story in question: https://apnews.com/general-news-c8469b05ac1b4092b7690d36f340...

Apple is an exception, and even that is debatable because of the unencrypted backups they store.

On the other hand, what Apple did is a tangible thing and is a result.

This gives them better optics for now, but there is no law says that they can't change.

Their business model is being an "accessible luxury brand with the privacy guarantee of Switzerland as the laws allow". So, as another argument, they have to do this.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by JCM9 »

Not a surprise. All the major players have reached the limits of training on existing data—they’re already training on essentially the whole internet plus a bunch of content they allegedly stole (hence various lawsuits). There haven’t been any major breakthroughs in model architecture from the major players recently and thus they’re now in a battle for more data to train on. They need data, and they want YOUR data, now, and are gonna do increasingly shady things to get it.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by wzdd »

troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

Everywhere else in Anthropic's interface, yes/no switches show blue when enabled and black when disabled. In the box they're showing about this change the slider shows grey in both states: visit it in preferences to see the difference! It's not just disappointing but also kind of sad that someone went to the effort to do this.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by smokel »

cube00 wrote: post #42
pcwelder wrote: post #30

Navigate to ` https://claude.ai/settings/data-privacy-controls ` and disable it before Sept 28. Isn't applicable to team plan.

Make no mistake this will be coming to the team plan. The only difference is your account owner will decide for the whole team.

What do you base this on? Typically it's plans like these that offer more privacy, because people are willing to pay a premium for that.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by AIPedant »

psychoslave wrote: post #28

What a surprise, a big corp collected large amount of personal data under some promises, and now reveals actually they will exploit it in completely unrelated manner.

Nobody could have predicted that someone who worked for Baidu, Google, and OpenAI would found a company like this.
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