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Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by 0xCMP »

harrysungod wrote: post #59
0xCMP wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And really they didn't even do anything special. This was a killer reason we loved Wireguard at our company and pitched heavily to keep it around to he company who acquired us and wanted us to switch to their VPN Appliance instead.

The main thing a big company IT admin wants is control over the users . At a previous company, they would ship really crappy software, by our own admission, to "enterprise" customers and all we had to do to keep them happy was to give a fancy control-panel that make then feel like king. Yes, flattery works, pandering-to-ego works. Too bad, you can only push it so far...at some point, CTO/CEO notices.

Agreed. In this company the IT team was being spread thin without their budget being increased so Tailscale was the obvious solution here, but a non-starter for them. "We already pay for a VPN. Let's just use that."

We managed to survive with our solution for a while thanks to it being super simple and "free" besides the instance running wireguard. Last I heard (I left), they shut that all down a few years ago.

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by dang »

Related. Others?

How ‘Mosh’ Rescued Me from Connection Hell: A Remote Work Story - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639011 - April 2023 (2 comments)

Mosh: An Interactive Remote Shell for Mobile Clients (2012) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33717028 - Nov 2022 (37 comments)

Mosh 1.4.0 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33439542 - Nov 2022 (12 comments)

Mosh's tolerance for high packet loss helps a guy escape from an elevator - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28157117 - Aug 2021 (34 comments)

Mosh: The Mobile Shell - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28150287 - Aug 2021 (153 comments)

Mosh - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22810589 - April 2020 (148 comments)

Mosh - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18692618 - Dec 2018 (9 comments)

Mosh v1.3 Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14228591 - April 2017 (69 comments)

ASK HN: How does mosh shell use UDP but provide reliability like TCP? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12519557 - Sept 2016 (1 comment)

Mosh: the mobile shell - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12429203 - Sept 2016 (49 comments)

Mosh: the mobile shell - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11572146 - April 2016 (147 comments)

Mosh, the SSH Alternative Option for System Administration - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11208757 - March 2016 (2 comments)

Mosh – a robust, responsive replacement for SSH - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8928506 - Jan 2015 (45 comments)

Mosh: A replacement for SSH - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8252093 - Sept 2014 (122 comments)

Mosh (mobile shell) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6321474 - Sept 2013 (6 comments)

Do you use Mosh? (SSH replacement) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5729004 - May 2013 (4 comments)

Mosh: the mobile shell - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5016745 - Jan 2013 (89 comments)

Mosh: the mobile shell - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4588239 - Sept 2012 (1 comment)

Mosh: SSH for 2012 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3819382 - April 2012 (193 comments)

Mosh: the mobile shell - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3814589 - April 2012 (2 comments)

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by just_human »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #54
just_human wrote: post #45

Hey all, I’ve been working on an open source rust-based alternative to mosh that solves some of the key issues like scroll back and using WebRTC instead of bootstrapping udp over ssh (which doesn’t work on firewalled networks). Would love any feedback on which features you’d like to see!

> Would love any feedback on which features you’d like to see! Not leaving pull requests for over half a decade fixing critical issues with not even bothering to comment on them would probably be a massive advantage over Mosh.

Hah, I’ll aspire to do better!

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by just_human »

newman314 wrote: post #60
just_human wrote: post #45

Hey all, I’ve been working on an open source rust-based alternative to mosh that solves some of the key issues like scroll back and using WebRTC instead of bootstrapping udp over ssh (which doesn’t work on firewalled networks). Would love any feedback on which features you’d like to see!

Do you have a link to a GitHub repo for this? Also, will it be mosh compatible?

Not yet, but hope to have something up in September! It’s unfortunately not most compatible - I thought about that but didn’t see a lot of value and there were some downsides like re-implementing an encryption layer that doesn’t make sense if you use WebRTC. Just curious, what’s your use case for mosh compatibility?

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by just_human »

pilooch wrote: post #53
just_human wrote: post #45

Hey all, I’ve been working on an open source rust-based alternative to mosh that solves some of the key issues like scroll back and using WebRTC instead of bootstrapping udp over ssh (which doesn’t work on firewalled networks). Would love any feedback on which features you’d like to see!

Hello, very interested in the scrollback! I've used mosh for 10+ years and it still runs my 100+ opened terminals to this day ! Would love to try your alternative

Awesome! I’ll post it to HN once I have the repo up and the code is in a halfway decent state. Look forward to your feedback!

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by schlarpc »

Garlef wrote: post #58

Funny sidenote: The mobile client for "Magic: the Gathering - Arena" does not even support "roaming" for your phones connection: If you for example turn off wifi during a match, it looses (and can not reestablish) the full connection even though your phone easily switches to mobile data.

Interesting that it can’t reestablish the connection, as the application level protocol should support it just fine. The client should notice the GRE (game rules engine) TCP socket is broken, and reset everything. When you reconnect, the front door service should notify you to a GRE session still in progress, and the client should be able to rejoin that. At least, that’s how it works on desktop.

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by _flux »

mbirth wrote: post #47
silverlake wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used ET but it requires a server process also. Some machines are too locked down to allow this. Wish there was a way to kick start the server on demand.

Uh, mosh needs to be installed to the server as well?

Well yes, but mosh starts its server over an initial SSH connection used for setup, so you only need the binary to exist in PATH of the remote host and you're done. It's more difficult to arrange a service to be running; sometimes more so if you don't have root.

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by _flux »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #9
semiinfinitely wrote: post #8

I've tris Mosh several times and never found any tangible benefit in any scenario.

It's great for SSH from my phone. The connection is just there whenever I unlock my phone.

Yes, but I've also found that I can have ssh open from phone for days to my home computer, if I've established it over a VPN (in my case wireshark).

I suppose this didn't always use to be the case, though.

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by hiq »

robenkleene wrote: post #24
hiq wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this actually works now, I use both tmux and mosh and can copy things fine. See e.g. https://gist.github.com/yudai/95b20e3da66df1b066531997f982b5...

Don't know the context for that snippet you're sharing, but the issue for OSC 52 support for clipboard syncing is marked as `Open` in the Mosh repo https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/issues/637

To be fair I haven't tested mosh without tmux, I always have tmux running. So I guess the situation is that it's possible to make it work with tmux, but maybe mosh on its own doesn't support OSC52. Which for me is good enough.

Re: Mosh Mobile Shell

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Post by em-bee »

just_human wrote: post #45

Hey all, I’ve been working on an open source rust-based alternative to mosh that solves some of the key issues like scroll back and using WebRTC instead of bootstrapping udp over ssh (which doesn’t work on firewalled networks). Would love any feedback on which features you’d like to see!

the two big features i am missing are port forwarding and sshfs. port forwarding would really be great, because it would allow making stable connections over instable networks.

one thing to consider though is how a large download over an ssh tunnel effectively prevents any other connection through the same tunnel from working.

to fix that possibly sshuttle can provide some inspiration. they solved that problem.

sshfs may be tricky, because it could lead to locked/hanging file access that never comes back if the server goes away. i don't know what the best approach here is. maybe some sort of timeouts, or maybe do let it hang but provide diagnostics with a command that can tell you what the status of the mount is, and force an unmount or restart of the connection if the user knows that the server went away.

aside from that it would just be nice if i would not have to manually remount every time the ssh connection drops.

another feature that i wish mosh had is to be able to reconnect to an existing session even with a restarted client. i don't know what it takes to do that. perhaps you need to store the keys that were used last time on disk which could lead to some concerns, but maybe that file on disk can be protected, or maybe that is not even necessary. i can attach to an existing tmux session, so if the mosh session is treated like that, it would work too?

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