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Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by techpineapple »

milancurcic wrote: post #4

"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…

I mean, what's actually fascinating is that Paul Graham didn't predict that this distinction - the ability to determine AI vs humans will go away over time, the more chatbots rub off on humans.

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Post by al_borland »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

I learned the keyboard shortcut so I can type the proper thing. I did the same for the ellipsis.

Also, phone keyboards make it easy. Just hold down the - and you can select various types.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by adastra22 »

sho_hn wrote: post #48
Fade_Dance wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the em dash has already been relegated to the dungeon of AI suspicion for the next 5-10 years.

My workaround (well, to be honest, I've always done this: I love a good em dash, they're terrifically satisfying to use, but I'm too lazy to type them), is to use two single dashes--like so.

My editor turns two single dashes into an em-dash—like this. (iOS)

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

I will use a double hyphen: -- which Microsoft Word and I think most word processors I've used will auto-replace with an em dash. I will sometimes even type the double hyphen to represent an em dash in places where it doesn't get replaced, like internet comments. I'm kind of surprised more people don't use two hyphens as em dash shorthand, to be honest.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by al_borland »

sho_hn wrote: post #48
Fade_Dance wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the em dash has already been relegated to the dungeon of AI suspicion for the next 5-10 years.

My workaround (well, to be honest, I've always done this: I love a good em dash, they're terrifically satisfying to use, but I'm too lazy to type them), is to use two single dashes--like so.

Depending on your editor, your double dash method may auto-convert to an em dash.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

Macs and iDevices have been auto-transforming -- into – for well over a decade now, and on the iOS standard keyboard both – and — are just a single long press of the dash key away.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by yesco »

capnrefsmmat wrote: post #31
yesco wrote: post #13

LLMs write in a very coherent, easy to understand way. I see no reason why someone wouldn't want to copy their style or vocabulary if they want to improve their communication skills. Despite all the complaints about AI slop, there is something ironic about the fact that simply being exposed to it might be a net positive influence for most of society. Discord often begins from the simplest of communication errors afte…

Sure, if you're learning to write and want lots of examples of a particular style, LLMs can generate that for you. Just don't assume that is a normal writing style, or that it matches a particular genre (say, workplace communication, or academic writing, or whatever). Our experience ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.16107 ) is that LLMs like GPT-4o have a particular writing style, including both vocabulary and distinct gr…

I definitely know what you mean, each model definitely has it's own style. I find myself mentally framing them as like horses with different personalities and riding quirks.

Still, perhaps saying "copy" was a bit misleading. Influence would have been more precise way of putting it. After all, there is no such thing as a "normal" writing style in the first place.

So long as you communicate with anything or anyone, I find people will naturally just absorb the parts they like without even noticing most of the time.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by adastra22 »

throwaway287391 wrote: post #50
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

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So any iOS device (maybe macOS input too? Idk), or any software meant for word editing, like say MS Word?

I think it’s the nerds who don’t use these things…

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by mingus88 »

yesco wrote: post #13

LLMs write in a very coherent, easy to understand way. I see no reason why someone wouldn't want to copy their style or vocabulary if they want to improve their communication skills. Despite all the complaints about AI slop, there is something ironic about the fact that simply being exposed to it might be a net positive influence for most of society. Discord often begins from the simplest of communication errors afte…

When I learned that AI was trained off of internet posts, and then LLMs were the new bots making internet posts, it immediately made me think that the entire internet would degrade like a jpeg that you keep compressing and sending around

I guess this is called model collapse

But now I’m wondering if people are collapsing. LLMs start to sound like us. We adapt and start to sound like LLMs that gets fed into the next set of model training…

What is the dystopian version of this end game?

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by csa »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #49
torben-friis wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company currently has a guideline that includes “therefore” and similar words as an example of literary language we should avoid using, as it makes the reader think it’s AI. It really made me uneasy, to think that formal communication might start getting side looks.

What’s worse is that this window might shift as writing becomes less formal and new material is included in the training corpus. By 2035 any language above a first grade reading level will be grounds for AI suspicion.

> By 2035 any language above a first grade reading level will be grounds for AI suspicion.

Probably 5th grade, but your comment is directionally correct.

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