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I do care about would-be founders' opinions, but surely I don't have to use every essay I write to convince people to apply to YC. I've already written elsewhere about the founder's eye view of YC (e.g. http://ycombinator.com/atyc.html ). This essay is just an exploration of the strangeness of startup investing as a business. The goal is not to convince anyone to do anything.
Off-topic, but something I've been chewing on lately: what's it like to have your every written (or spoken!) word analyzed by a bunch of people? Esp. people that you end up having some form of contact with. It seems like it would be difficult to just have a public conversation about a topic. Do you think about that much when you write?
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a guy 'radiates "winner"'? Really? I sincerely hope you're being flippant and don't mean that as a serious answer.
I mean it. Have you met either of them? They both seem unstoppable.
I have not met either of them. And while I have met a few individuals who have achieved success I can honestly say I have never met anyone who I thought radiated success or was otherwise predisposed to success.
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#64If YC had funded Paypal, they would have made a nice return with the $1.5B eBay acquisition. But their valuation would've ended there. In reality though, they currently make up 44.9% of eBay's revenue. eBay is a $63.45B company.
I don't know YC's policy on holding stock in the acquirers company after someone in their portfolio is bought out, but assuming they keep stock, a company acquired by Google a few years ago which allowed YC to accrue a few million dollars worth of Google stock could very well be their biggest financial gain in 50 years.
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#65But whats the thought process and how does it change given this insight ? It should still be the case that as an investor you still should focus on the best opportunities and try to maximize a decent return from the majority of your investments then focus on picking that facebook, dropbox or AirBnB right, just as you would if you were a trader in the stock market ... otherwise your just gambling ?! Focus on the technicals and data that give you the best odds and just take those trades cause taking trades where you are waiting on information from the fed chairman or draghi without insider info for example (even though they have big pay offs if you swing the right way) will earn you pretty much the same amount of returns as losses in the long term.
If the potential to win big time is counter intuitive what do you trust from data in front of you to make the decision to invest other than the "gut feeling" ?
In any case, i would think with dropbox it never really sounded like a bad idea and the founder/founders (Drew and Arash) sounded very promising even from the start. If this is the case even good bets do pay of big time to :) maybe these are easier to pick then the facebooks where at the time it does look like a bad idea.
Basically, Im curious as how this insight in PG's essay would change how an investor should invest or is it just an FYI and something to keep in the back of your mind as an investor ?
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#66I am still surprised how YC hasn't transitioned to that entirely. They already have the money; optimizing for that is tryin to play a financial game that others have already mastered.
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#67In part you are correct, but you are making some huge mistakes and, in a saying from my past, are "straining over gnats and forgetting elephants".
> That's made harder by the fact that the best startup ideas seem at first like bad ideas. I've written about this before: if a good idea were obviously good, someone else would already have done it.
That's likely true from what you and Silicon Valley see, but that's just a gnat.
Basically you are saying that success is a shot in the dark and it is impossible for an entrepreneur and their financiers to design success with good reliability. That is, from enormous data, obviously nonsense.
Paul, instead of shooting in the dark, you need to turn on a light!
I claim that we can design success, on just clean sheets of paper, with high reliability and that how to do so is well known with a fantastic track record with the long track record right in front of us.
Also, we need to address your:
> if a good idea were obviously good, someone else would already have done it.
Nonsense. Paul, where do you get such stuff? You have one of the best backgrounds of anyone in Silicon Valley entrepreneurship, and yet you still fall for that nonsense that fills the trash and the offices on Sand Hill Road.
What you mean by "a good idea" is just a good 'business idea', e.g., a very short, nearly superficial, description of the business to, say, an early customer. But, Paul, that's nearly irrelevant.
Want a good business idea? Make a billion dollars quickly? A sure fire winner? Okay, this is your lucky day. May I have the envelope, please (drum roll). Yes, here it is: One pill to take once that provides a safe and effective cure for any cancer. That's your guaranteed, 100% true, died in the wool, sure fire, billion dollar "good business idea". And it's obvious, and no one has done it. Done.
Since the 'idea' is obvious, why has no one done it? Sure: No one knows HOW to do it.
Are you beginning to understand?
So, for a hand up, in case you were up all night drinking beer with the boys, here is a 'generic method' (ALL TRUE hackers just LOVE such verbiage):
Step 1. Think of a big, unmet need, something a billion people will pay a little for or thousands of people will pay a lot for. E.g., the one pill cure for any cancer. That is, think of an important, unsolved problem.
Step 2. Find a way to meet this need. E.g., for the cancer pill, have to do some quite good biomedical research. Uh, did I say that it was all easy? I don't remember saying it was all easy. If Step 2 is too difficult, then return to Step 1 (we're writing this in the form of an 'algorithm' since ALL TRUE hackers just LOVE algorithms). Else proceed to Step 3.
Step 3. Sell the solution to the customers and take the money to the bank.
There it is, in just three steps. Of course, likely the bigger the unmet need from Step 1, the more difficult will be the research in Step 2. Whatever, the key to the 'algorithm' is the research in Step 2.
Did I mention 'research'? Gee, does anyone on Sand Hill Road consider research? Well, Paul, you and Y Combinator have high qualifications in evaluating research, but a cursory look at several of the best known venture capital firms in Silicon Valley, Boston, Winter Street, and NYC show little to no ability or willingness to evaluate research. Uh, to evaluate research, as usual, we want at least a relevant Ph.D., a tenure track faculty position in a research university, and some relevant peer-reviewed publications of original research.
So, research is being ignored! Opportunity knocks!
Now, should we have any faith in the promise of research to get solutions to practical problems, or is all of research just ivory tower intellectual self-abuse that has yet to be proven totally useless forever?
Let's see: It turns out that there is in all of the world in all of history exactly one, unchallenged, unique grand champion of doing research to get powerful solutions to important practical problems. And the track record is much better and much longer than that of Silicon Valley.
Without further ceremony, here's the envelope. Yes, the answer is, the US DoD. They got going about 70 years ago and did little projects like "the bomb, the hydrogen bomb", radar, synthetic aperture radar, spread spectrum radar, encoded with shift register sequences, adaptive beam forming passive sonar, inertial navigation, GPS, and on and on.
So, for the question, is it possible to do research that yields powerful solutions to important practical problems? Sure. Done.
So, should Silicon Valley fund research? Well, perhaps not. But, if an entrepreneur has selected a good "unmet need" in Step 1 and done some good research to get a powerful solution in Step 2, should Silicon Valley consider the research?
Hmm ...? But, such research is rare! Right! Did I notice that you have already noticed that big winners are rare, 'black swans', outliers, "few"? Yup.
How many $200 billion winners does a $100 million venture fund need to give good returns to its limited partners? Many? Several? A few? How about just one?
Silicon Valley is shooting in the dark into a pond with nearly only small fish. Silicon Valley needs to turn on some lights, look, pay attention to powerful research for big unmet needs, and then evaluate pulling the trigger.
My guess is that the real problem is the limited partners (LPs) who really prefer to look at reports from accountants. So, the LPs tell their venture funds to do all evaluations as close to accounting as possible. Since the usual accounting metrics are not yet available, the venture firms use surrogates, and their favorite is 'traction'. They want their coveted 'traction' to be high and growing rapidly. E.g., in the case of the bomb, they would have said "You build and test one and get one ready for delivery, and we will chip in for the gas for the Enola Gay.".
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#68Quoth pg: It would hurt YC's brand (at least among the innumerate) if we invested in huge numbers of risky startups that flamed out. Paul, you're sounding like a venture capitalist who is worried about whether he can find investors for his next fund. I would posit that the people whose opinions you should care about are potential founders ; and that their primary concern is themselves , not the performance of a fund…
What would happen if you split up the batches into two groups, YC Classic and YC Black Swan, and placed founders into the groups post-interview? People who were placed in YC Classic could continue to have the expectation of ~100% demo day success they do now, while the people placed in YC Black Swan would be told "I find your idea interesting and we'll let you in but don't expect funding after demo day." People could take the Black Swan offers as rejections if they wanted.
There are a bunch of problems with this approach, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if way more than 30% of YC Black Swan was funded.
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#69What is the value of all companies that weren't picked by YC? Are there any notable black swans that are known YC-rejects? It would be interesting to do an analysis of those companies that were rejected by YC, and see how many "black swans" were present in those rejects, as well as maybe relative value of the rejected startups vs the chosen ones to see how effective the YC selection process is.
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That is a very interesting exercise. I feel pretty sure we'd have been impressed enough by Max and Peter to fund them regardless of the idea (which initially had almost nothing in common with Paypal). I knew Ev before Twitter so I'm sure we would have funded that. Pandora I know nothing about, so I can't guess there. SalesForce I'm pretty sure we would have funded because Benioff radiates "winner" in much the same ov…
a guy 'radiates "winner"'? Really? I sincerely hope you're being flippant and don't mean that as a serious answer.
He seemed to never lose an ounce of morale from anyone telling him "no", he seemed to be doing this pretty naturally by never faulting or doubting himself but rather placing the blame on the nay-sayer. The take-away for me was someone whose morale cannot be broken is an unstoppable train. I have to be honest, it seemed full-fledged delusional to see someone never question them self based on other people (and some very important/influential people's) judgement. But that seemed to be him.