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I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I was quite successful learning Mandarin by using Anki in the way that is typically discouraged, i.e., with a downloaded deck (SpoonFedChinese). I have very little time per day to devote to learning so building my own cars isn't an option, but with this and a couple of last-minute classes I went from HSK2 to HSK3. I also find Du Chinese and The Chairman's Bao quite useful, although indeed for the writing, nothing see…

For spaced repetition practice for writing, try Skritter.

Definitely by far the best way to learn to write characters. It is very expensive (compared to most apps, anyway) but its essentially obligatory to spend the money if you are serious about learning the language. When I'm learning Mandarin my favoured method is to work my way through the HSK decks on Skritter, plus a custom deck where I add my own words. Then I make sure to put at least 1 example sentence in Anki for each word that I've learned in Skritter, to reinforce it and place it in a useful context. Skritter itself rather helpfully gives an example sentence for most words. This often then leads me to adding more words to my custom Skritter deck when the example sentence contains other words I don't know yet. In this way I expand my vocabulary beyond just HSK.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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So I definitely agree that this is 100% the best way to use Anki, that's why I wrote the line about "Writing cards that trigger memories of experiences I had in the real world always produced better cards." I couldn't give you a percentage, but I made most of my own cards, including all of those 2000+ kanji cards. There's lots of debate in the language learning community about vocab cards or sentence cards, and gener…

I'm so tempted to try improving my language skills with Anki, both for my native language and my daily use language. But the commitment feels so daunting- I've barely missed a day in my reviews for the last two years, and only have 28,000 reviews total. I'm very impressed by your 98,000! I guess the best way to start is just to create a new deck in it with one card and then go from there. I already have a daily revie…

Yeah I was definitely doing too many for it to be fun.

I think that when you have a really high level, Anki is actually even better than when you are at a lower level, because you already have the intuition for the language in general and you are just adding one small component. At lower levels you are making more assumptions about how the word will be used and that can lead you astray.

So I'd say try it!

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I can't agree with this when it comes to language learning specifically. I've used all sorts of tools to learn the language of my in-law side of the family: books, audio lessons, videos, tutoring, apps, etc. I've never made as much progress as I have with Anki. My language skills have improved in leaps and bounds so much with Anki that I now rarely bother with anything else, other than for sentence mining to create m…

This sound great. I'd love to see a 1 minute video of this in action.

Me too!

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Very good article but something bothers me: > Language learners chase something called i+1 material I really dislike the traditional language teaching method. It didn't work for me. It's too abstract, boring, and you end up memorizing stuff the wrong way. And usually later you need to un-learn/re-learn things properly. What worked for me (and fellow struggling students I taught) was normal text about topics I find in…

In general I agree with this, and there is definitely something a bit insidious about optimizing the entire process so that you are on a perfectly calibrated i+1 treadmill.

But, for some languages with different alphabets and roots, it really is practically impossible to get any meaning from a magazine article in your target language at a beginner level. So getting out of this beginner phase as quickly as possible is really appealing. And if you can find text at this level that is interesting then that really helps.

I really like your comment about i-1 learning, I'd never thought of it like that.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I used Anki pretty heavily during ~8 years of law school and it was a game-changer. Two things that helped me the most (and that I think apply to any kind of flashcards, digital or paper): - The twenty rules of formulating knowledge ( https://www.supermemo.com/en/blog/twenty-rules-of-formulatin... ) ; old but really solid advice on how to actually write cards that stick. - The book Fluent Forever; it’s meant for lang…

Wow the twenty rules article should be required reading for anyone downloading Anki.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I totally agree with the 4 rules listed here (especially #1), but in line with other comments I don't see how LLMs make flashcards for language learning obsolete. If anything, after ~15 months of semi-casual Japanese learning, with flashcards as a core part of my routine, I'm even more convinced of the power of brute force memorization / spaced repetition. I often have moments where I'm presented with a word I can't quite remember, and 90% of the time my "gut instinct" on the pronunciation is correct (I'm usually wrong when I second guess myself). It's a spooky feeling being able to summon the correct pronunciation for a word from deep within my brain when I've consciously told myself "I don't really remember this one".

Also agree that learning a bunch of vocab / flashcards is only a small part of language learning, and it should only be a small % of your studies. After ~80k review items in ~15 months, I'm at the point where I simply spend 20-30 mins. before bed knocking out 100-140 review items (both recognition and recall). Now it's just part of my daily routine and I genuinely still enjoy it. I invested a lot of initial time with flashcards while working through Genki I+II just to lay some solid foundations, more like 200-300 review items a day (knowing some Chinese was my main headstart with this).

+1 for Skritter. I was an early user way back in 2011 for Chinese, and after setting language learning aside for many years it was a joy to boot it back up. I much prefer the Kana/Kanji interface for writing practice than Anki. Admittedly it is a bit pricey, though. I'd also highly recommend Satori reader as a reading/listening practice app. Aside from that, plenty of manga, conversational Japanese 'podcasts' on YouTube, anime, and video games helps. Next step is to find a tutor at some point....

One thing that I've always found weird among the Japanese language learning community is the emphasis on drilling/learning individual Kanji. I don't really recall this being a "thing" in Chinese (presumably b/c you're on the hook for 4-5+k Hanzi rather than 2-3k Kanji :D). Truly bizarre to me to drill individual Kanji out-of-context rather than just learn a couple of common words that use them.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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It looks like you can’t do much on incontextlearning.com without logging in. It would be good to have more explanation of what it does and maybe a demo before taking that step.

Ah sorry about that, I made this video a while ago but I forgot to link it on the home page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntcWvoZYLec&t=10s&ab_channel...

Thanks for pointing it out!

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Facts are required for critical thinking. I wonder if the writer eventually transitioned from fact-memorization flashcards, to concept-based questions (how does it make sense that....?).

No, to be honest I haven't had so much practice with those kinds of cards; I've mostly used it for vocabulary and geography.

How does it change things?

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I get the feeling that an LLM wrote this article as well.

If it did then I’m very impressed because the demanding more snacks thing was fantastic

It could be a combination of some manual tweaks to a generated article.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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This is why I built Manabi Reader (currently only for Japanese) https://reader.manabi.io It helps you discover reading material suited to your current knowledge. It’s better to acquire new words within colorful contexts, and then use flashcards to review them after learning the material. (It has its own flashcard companion app or you can use Anki.) Soon I am working on making the activity of reading words in native t…

> only for Japanese

and only for Apple devices...

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