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Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by aspenmayer »

codyb wrote: post #42
techpineapple wrote: post #3

It's a funny ideology that's like "We're going to end scarcity and implement UBI, but also, be scared of socialism."

It seems like as soon as any particular set of ideas starts to attract a dedicated following said group abandons reason in favor of dogmatism, lack of consistency be damned.

Compare and contrast the following and you might find that this human tendency isn't new and isn't likely to change, but it can be gamed and guided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect

I was aware of that one, but this one, while being entirely obvious, is quite thought-provoking:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snob_effect

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by vFunct »

stretchwithme wrote: post #58
vFunct wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That's panic.

So voters should not assess a candidate. Should they go into the voting booth without looking and randomly pull levers?

Voters vote on who they like, not if they can govern.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by hello_moto »

lwansbrough wrote: post #59
hello_moto wrote: post #53

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shrug British Columbia (where Vancouver is located) has rent control and people continue to live normally. Billionaires don't like it when politicians put a target on them. Billionaires (or Landlords) have been hiding behind class war for thousand years. They continue to find ways to divide and conquer. The moment a popular politicians start to poke em a little bit is the moment where they will react swiftly

I live in Vancouver. People do not live normally here lmao. I pay $2300 for 430sqft in a city where the median household income is $82,000. I’m surprised you chose Vancouver for your argument. Are you aware this is one of the worst housing markets in North America for exactly the same reason as NYC? The one thing BC is doing correctly right now is getting rid of a lot of the market controls and introducing a lot more…

> Are you aware this is one of the worst housing markets in North America for exactly the same reason as NYC?

That's because you pointed out rent control in your earlier argument. It's not the end-all-be-all. I don't know why you picked that specifically knowing that Vancouver has rent control and to some degree it's fine.

His platform is more than rent control no?

> The one thing BC is doing correctly right now is getting rid of a lot of the market controls

BC got rid of Airbnb and that's one factor among many others that influence the pricing today: high interest rate, Trump tariff, China econ not doing well hence not a lot of Mainland China money flowing to Vancouver like it used to be. All these contribute to weaker demand.

The getting rid of zoning, while I fully support it for my own benefit, is yet to be seen IMO.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by davidivadavid »

__loam wrote: post #60
davidivadavid wrote: post #49

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What's most puzzling to me is how at this point a larger part of SV hasn't distanced itself with All-in Podcast-adjacent people a lot more vocally. I think the lasting power of that region hinges on some important voices doing that sooner rather than later, because they're actively damaging the whole brand of SV at this point.

Yeah it's weird that people who agree with each other don't distance themselves from each other.

Everyone in Silicon Valley agrees with the All-in Podcast clowns? Nah. PG himself has had beef with David Sacks. It's just surprisingly quiet.

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Post by ericjmorey »

lwansbrough wrote: post #44
ModernMech wrote: post #30

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I'll break it down for you. For a long time, neoliberals like Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have run the Democratic party. They have enjoyed soaking up the progressive votes from the more left parts of the party, but they have done everything possible to prevent those elements from rising too high in the power structure. You saw it in 2016 when the party leadership coalesced around Hillary to nudge out Bernie, and again i…

Too bad most of this is meaningless, and the actual policy is the only thing standing between America and another 50 years of housing crises. When the so called progressive millennial is pitching rent control as the solution to housing in the largest city in the US you already know it's fucking Joever. Social policy is popular among millennials, that doesn't make it good. Mamdani and his followers are wilfully ignora…

You should probably learn more about his housing policy.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by ericjmorey »

lwansbrough wrote: post #21
mlinhares wrote: post #6

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Its just a bunch of people that see "socialist" and panic.

That seems like a reductive defence of a platform that is pitching rent control and socialized housing without addressing underlying demand. Which is basically the recipe the entire western world has used for half a century and has resulted in the worst housing price inflation in history. The hard truth is that New York isn't even remotely dense enough for the demand. The entirety of lower Manhattan from Canal St. to…

He's been very clear about addressing underlying demand through increased supply.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by lazyeye »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #51
lazyeye wrote: post #25

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Either that or they understand exactly what it means, the actual reality of it as compared to the "sounds nice in theory..."

What's the reality of having a mayor who is described as socialist?

Well I guess he is "described" as a socialist in the same way the sky is "described" as blue. Your question is easy to answer...look at all of human history and around the world right now to see what you get when the far left gets their hands on the levers of power.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by shadowgovt »

lazyeye wrote: post #68
cosmicgadget wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the reality of having a mayor who is described as socialist?

Well I guess he is "described" as a socialist in the same way the sky is "described" as blue. Your question is easy to answer...look at all of human history and around the world right now to see what you get when the far left gets their hands on the levers of power.

In the US, "socialist" describes the people supporting Medicare for All and the Green New Deal. So in the US, socialism would be a net positive.

Re: Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC's Tech Scene Is Not

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Post by cbeach »

krapp wrote: post #34
cbeach wrote: post #17

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Ending scarcity and funding UBI is uniquely possible in a capitalist society, where there is excess wealth generation. In the UK we use our capitalist excess wealth to fund socialised healthcare. But don't mistake socialised service provision for socialism Socialism implies state control of the means of production. The results of socialism, we witnessed in Eastern Europe and elsewhere during the 20th century: scarcit…

>Socialism implies state control of the means of production. Socialism literally implies the opposite. That's why it's called social ism. Under capitalism, capitalists own the means of production. Under fascism, the government and the state collaborate to own the means of production. Under socialism, the means of production are socially (collectively) owned. In the most extreme interpretation of socialism, communism,…

Since it’s unworkable, in practice, for “everyone” to own something, socialism inevitably means state ownership.

There’s no getting around this.

If everyone owns something, no one owns it.

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