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NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by laughingcurve »

Guthur wrote: post #50
jeffreysmith wrote: post #25

Not sure what's with the HN tone on this announcement. AI2 are really some of the best people around for creating truly open artifacts for the whole ecosystem. Their work on OLMo and Molmo is some of the most transparent and educational material you can find on model building. This is just great news for everyone.

Maybe because many of us are not from the US. The stated goal is US dominance of the AI field, and sorry if the rest of us don't see that as a good thing nor particularly open.

Good luck trying to raise money from a NATIONAL science foundation without it being in the NATIONAL interest.

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by laughingcurve »

byteknight wrote: post #57
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The stated goal is US dominance of the AI field Any country tries to dominate any field if they can do it, it's just human nature. Why is that a bad thing? That constant competition for superiority between nations is how humanity has evolved from hunter gatherer to having tractors, microwave ovens, airplanes, internet and penicillin.

As an American, I obviously can get behind it, but I can easily see how a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way (and possibly prevent their contribution) [Insert xkcd new standard image here]

As an American researcher, I can assure you that the Chinese superiority and behavior in the field is certainly ENCOURAGING my contributions.

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by khalic »

winter_blue wrote: post #46
khalic wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably need to look under the hood, it has nothing to do with what popular culture called AI until very recently. It’s just a word generator on steroids, don’t believe the hype about AIs taking over, it’s complete BS.

Fwiw, the difference it makes in software development speed is astounding.

I know first hand, quite incredible

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by Guthur »

Guthur wrote: post #50
jeffreysmith wrote: post #25

Not sure what's with the HN tone on this announcement. AI2 are really some of the best people around for creating truly open artifacts for the whole ecosystem. Their work on OLMo and Molmo is some of the most transparent and educational material you can find on model building. This is just great news for everyone.

Maybe because many of us are not from the US. The stated goal is US dominance of the AI field, and sorry if the rest of us don't see that as a good thing nor particularly open.

Of course you can justify this, as people have, but you can't then blame the rest of us non US citizens for not aligning with that goal. The US is only a small portion of the global population and the government itself has a long history of stamping on the rest of us.

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by ants_everywhere »

amelius wrote: post #18
sounds wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia is interested in commoditizing their complements. It's a business strategy to decrease the power of OpenAI (for instance). Nvidia dreams of a world where there are lots of "open" alternatives to OpenAI, like there are lots of open game engines and lots open software in general. All buying closed Nvidia chips.

But AI depends on a small number of tensor operators, primitives which can be relatively easily implemented by competitors, so compute is very close to being a commodity when it comes to AI. A company like Cerebras (founded in 2015) proves that this is true. The moat is not in computer architecture. I'd say the real moat is in semiconductor fabrication.

> The moat is not in computer architecture. I'd say the real moat is in semiconductor fabrication.

In the longer run, anything that is very capital intensive, affects entire industries, and can be improved with large amounts of simulation will not be a moat for long. That's because you can increasingly use AI to explore the design space.

Compute not a commodity yet but may be in a few years. Semiconductor fab will take longer, but I wouldn't be surprised to see parts of the fabrication process democratized in a few years.

Physical commodities like copper or oil can't be improved with simulation so they don't fall under this idea.

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by Guthur »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #60
byteknight wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American, I obviously can get behind it, but I can easily see how a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way (and possibly prevent their contribution) [Insert xkcd new standard image here]

>a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way So what? Does that change anything in how things work in reality? Everyone knows it, so why pussyfoot around it?. Why are people nowadays so sensitive about saying the truth of how things work? Have people been coddled that much that they've can't handle reality? A good life lesson is that the world does not revolve around your feelings.

It's not my feelings mate, if you don't live outside the US and have not been subjected to their unipolar attitude you will probably never understand and there is literally nothing I'm going to say to convince you of the objective reality the rest of us face.

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Guthur wrote: post #66
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>a declared goal of superiority of others would rub those others the wrong way So what? Does that change anything in how things work in reality? Everyone knows it, so why pussyfoot around it?. Why are people nowadays so sensitive about saying the truth of how things work? Have people been coddled that much that they've can't handle reality? A good life lesson is that the world does not revolve around your feelings.

It's not my feelings mate, if you don't live outside the US and have not been subjected to their unipolar attitude you will probably never understand and there is literally nothing I'm going to say to convince you of the objective reality the rest of us face.

Sorry, I wasn't talking about you specifically, but the general "you" as in you the reader.

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by curious_cat_163 »

yalogin wrote: post #68

After reading through the article I couldn't understand what an open AI ecosystem is. Are they talking about hardware or software? If it's software we have opensource models, are they going to create open source vertical integrations?

We don't really have very many open source models. We have "open weights" models. Ai2 is one of the very few labs that actually make their entire training/inference code AND datasets AND training run details public. So, that this investment is happening is a welcome step.

Congratulations to the team at Ai2!

Re: NSF and Nvidia award Ai2 $152M to support building an open AI ecosystem

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Guthur wrote: post #50
jeffreysmith wrote: post #25

Not sure what's with the HN tone on this announcement. AI2 are really some of the best people around for creating truly open artifacts for the whole ecosystem. Their work on OLMo and Molmo is some of the most transparent and educational material you can find on model building. This is just great news for everyone.

Maybe because many of us are not from the US. The stated goal is US dominance of the AI field, and sorry if the rest of us don't see that as a good thing nor particularly open.

But better for the rest of the world than private US tech companies dominating.
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