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Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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> illumos-closed package, containing binary blobs still necessary to build illumos-gate, was added https://docs.openindiana.org/release-notes/2016.10-release-n... > There are a small handful of illumos components for which source code is not available. Over time, we have replaced most of the closed source components from the Sun era with new open source versions. This work is ongoing https://illumos.org/docs/develope…

What does "took the last drop of the gate" mean?

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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post #61

> illumos-closed package, containing binary blobs still necessary to build illumos-gate, was added https://docs.openindiana.org/release-notes/2016.10-release-n... > There are a small handful of illumos components for which source code is not available. Over time, we have replaced most of the closed source components from the Sun era with new open source versions. This work is ongoing https://illumos.org/docs/develope…

What does "took the last drop of the gate" mean?

The last code pull from Sun/opensolaris before they started completely diverging.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solaris was the development OS for Oracle for years. I presume that's now shifted to their own linux distro but for many years that was the case, to the point that if you were a serious Oracle customer you ran it on Solaris (and Sun hardware) because all the bug fixes and updates came out first for that platform. So from that standpoint it makes sense that they acquired it. They probably just didn't care about any no…

> Solaris was the development OS for Oracle for years. I presume that's now shifted to their own linux distro I wouldn't bet on that. Their Linux distro is a RHEL clone, but they have total control over Solaris.

Given that they killed the roadmap and admitted there will never be a Solaris 12 after laying off 90% of the core developers - I would bet on that.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/sun-set-oracle-closes-down-las...

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really disappointed that Solaris picked a "let's screw Linux" license, relegating some otherwise interesting technologies to only run on Solaris, on permissive OSes like BSD, and on systems that don't care about license compliance.

Some Linux people were saying "let's screw Solaris" first and Sun people are only human so that's the result.

> Some Linux people were saying "let's screw Solaris" first

[citation needed]

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenIndiana takes its name from Project Indiana, the internal codename for OpenSolaris at Sun Microsystems before Oracle’s acquisition of Sun in 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana#History

Ian Murdock, who grew up in Indiana, joined Sun Microsystems in early 2007 to lead Project OpenIndiana.

Yeah, just thought the wikipedia kind of cleared that up, Ian Murdock was an interesting fellow.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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As a Hoosier... I had to check the relevance... and learned it's basically a fork^3 of Solaris, a Sun operating system. OpenIndiana[3] Note: I guessed here at [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Solaris

If we are going to talk about 35 years of illumos linkage, we as well go all the way. Using you notation: Solaris Besides the direct lineage, it’s interesting to see cross pollination between different operating systems over the years. Like BSD’s socket interface spreading everywhere (including Windows), ZFS from OpenSolaris to FreeBSD & Linux, then bhyve from FreeBSD to illumos. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

You missed the branch there for Solaris 1.x (aka SunOS) which was a BSD derivative.

One of the nifty things about Solaris was all the compatibility code they had. You could set environment variables and compile against BSD, SysV, and a variety of other "standards" - they tried to make it so that anything that could compile on a UNIX would compile on Solaris.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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I've been using OpenIndiana for a file server in my homelab since it came out and it's been quietly doing its job ever since without much issues. Coming from Linux it's not easy to find the equivalent commands of what I do on my other servers but it's also what I like about this project, it's another flavor of Unix to learn.

Sun had excellent documentation. But of course Oracle crapped all over it...

If you can find documentation for Solaris 9 I imagine a lot of it would be the same. And there's the Solaris 8 Administration book from O'Reilly - I'm sure you can find PDFs of that floating around.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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Wow. Illumos / Solaris is still kicking, eh? Really too bad Solaris didn’t stick around and was so horribly mismanaged by Sun. Solaris and Vax/VMS is where I started my career decades ago, and still brings back memories.

It (Solaris) was also the origin of ZFS, if I'm not mistaken.

And DTrace. And NFS/NIS. And SunRPC. And OpenOffice (sort of - they bought the company that made it and then open sourced it). And... you get the idea.

That's what I loved about Sun, really. They strive for a leadership role in the UNIX world by actually leading, instead of just trying to dominate. No company is perfect, but Sun was better than most.

I was sad to see them go, but with Windows NT taking over corporate and Linux taking over networking, they just didn't have a place. They kept pushing "The network is the computer" at a time when PCs were cheap. If only they'd held out until the cloud craze hit...

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some Linux people were saying "let's screw Solaris" first and Sun people are only human so that's the result.

> Some Linux people were saying "let's screw Solaris" first [citation needed]

It's not hard to find Linux users shit-talking Solaris - or "Slowaris" as it was known at the time. Just browse the Slashdot archives.

Reaching feature parity and taking Solaris' market share was an often cited goal by people in the Linux community, and one they achieved.

That said, I don't remember much actual hate directed at Sun in the way that Microsoft got. As far as companies go, Sun was a better member of the UNIX community than most.

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