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AOL to discontinue dial-up internet

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Re: AOL to discontinue dial-up internet

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post #42

> Dial-up internet speeds average about 56 kilobytes a second Nope, that would be considered crazy fast back in the day, it was 56 kilo bits per second. That's about 6.8 kilobytes, but realistically and with overhead it was usually around 5KB/s.

I remember getting 5.2 KB/s downloading the Worms 2 demo from Tucows and could practically feel the wind in my hair screaming down the information superhighway...

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What did those CD's actually contain? A browser with some firmware?

lol no. They had a fat desktop client and often Windows networking drivers because even the OS wasn't network ready for consumers yet.

The desktop client had something like a browser. iirc you could get to the Internet but it was like AOL's version of the Internet. There was a keyword based search but I think websites had to register specific keywords with AOL or something like that to show up. The big thing with AOL was the "you've got mail!" sound once you connected. That voice was like a pop-culture meme back then.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did those CD's actually contain? A browser with some firmware?

lol no. They had a fat desktop client and often Windows networking drivers because even the OS wasn't network ready for consumers yet.

Don't forget the browser toolbar.

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cellular internet. Edit: I'm not saying it's a good replacement for dialup, just that I have observed that many cell phone carriers are advertising plans for it now.

Here is "ping 8.8.8.8" showing latency over cellular internet some of the time, and I live in the centre of a city: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=6145 ttl=114 time=363613.635 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=6175 ttl=114 time=334289.726 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=6176 ttl=114 time=333689.274 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=6177 ttl=114 time=332851.621 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=6178 ttl=114 tim…

5+ minutes for 8.8.8.8 to respond to a ping! Or am I reading this incorrectly?

Re: AOL to discontinue dial-up internet

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post #42

> Dial-up internet speeds average about 56 kilobytes a second Nope, that would be considered crazy fast back in the day, it was 56 kilo bits per second. That's about 6.8 kilobytes, but realistically and with overhead it was usually around 5KB/s.

It was very common to be limited to a significantly lower speed. Wikipedia sucks, so I dug up the actual v.34 standard:

  33.6 kbit/s (a later addition)
  31.2 kbit/s (a later addition)
  28.8 kbit/s (the theoretical maximum for most people; I remember being jealous of people who actually got it)
  26.4 kbit/s (what my internet usually hit in practice)
  24.0 kbit/s (I remember seeing this)
  21.6 kbit/s (apparently this was very common, though I don't remember seeing it)
  19.2 kbit/s
  16.8 kbit/s
  14.4 kbit/s (quite possible)
  (lower bitrates are also documented; this is all multiples of 2.4 kbit/s)
Also, remember to assume about 10 bits per byte of actual data, since there is various protocol overhead.

Re: AOL to discontinue dial-up internet

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post #2

I’ve always wondered about the remaining users of the dial-up service. Who are they and what is the use case for using dial-up? Does anyone know?

I had an aunt who was a hold out until this past year. She was in a rather wooded and sparsely populated area and although faster internet became available awhile ago it was much more expensive and she was already used to the limitations of dial-up so she didn't feel compelled to make the jump. If she really needed fast internet for some reason (maybe emailing an attachment) she would drive to the nearest library.

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post #48
post #4

Real miss by the NYT here in not finding and interviewing people who were still using it in 2025!

I have now seen multiple articles about this and none of them talked about how much use it was actually getting today, which I have found disappointing. Not sure why none that I have seen have been any better.

It sounds like AOL won’t disclose that information and the only national survey anyone has cited doesn’t distinguish by ISP.

Re: AOL to discontinue dial-up internet

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post #4

Real miss by the NYT here in not finding and interviewing people who were still using it in 2025!

I worked on a help desk from 2013-2016 for an MSP that served some rural telcos. A couple of the clients still offered dial-up internet, so there were a few hundred people with dial up at that point. They were largely people with very rural homes that they didn't even have DSL. They were largely older people. And they just made a steady profit, the equipment and lines basically just worked and they had a FAR lower ra…

I’m curious what those customers do today. Are they still using those computers with antique web browsers?

Maybe email and Amazon are enough, though.

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