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Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by nextos »

zvmaz wrote: post #44
ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

IMHO, it also became too complex, with too many things installed by default and too much upstream patching.

This made it more fragile. It was really nice in the late 2000s, but gradually became worse.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by yonatan8070 »

A total of seven architectures are officially supported for "trixie":

     "trixie"
     64-bit PC (amd64),
     64-bit ARM (arm64),
     ARM EABI (armel),
     ARMv7 (EABI hard-float ABI, armhf),
     64-bit little-endian PowerPC (ppc64el),
     64-bit little-endian RISC-V (riscv64),
     IBM System z (s390x)
It's good to see RISC-V becoming a first-class citizen, despite the general lack of hardware using it at the moment.

I do wonder, where are PowerPC and IBM System z being used these days? Are there modern Linux systems being deployed with something other than amd64, arm64, and (soon?) riscv64?

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by bayindirh »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #50
zvmaz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

Snaps, and ads in the motd

Plus reduced support duration to increase adoption of Ubuntu Pro. Changing some packages ever slightly so they behave a little differently.

Switch to sudo-rs, uu-coreutils (rust based stuff), etc., etc.

It's not a Debian derivative anymore. It's something else.

Was not my cup of tea before, it's even more not my cup of tea now.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by npteljes »

mmcnl wrote: post #49
happymellon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snaps? Proprietary package managers are never great.

I don't really understand why this is such a big problem. You don't have to use snaps.

Defaults matter a lot, and snaps are the default in Ubuntu.

The topic is not whether snaps are avoidable or not, but the Ubuntu is going downhill. And snaps are purported to be part of that downhill, which would be Ubuntu's NIH syndrome. As far as I know, Ubuntu's only successful development is Ubuntu itself - the other projects have all failed over the years, and snap, while ongoing, is not winning any popularity contests either.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by kev009 »

zvmaz wrote: post #44
ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

The alternative question to ask is: in what way has it gone uphill versus just using Debian?

In the early days it had a differing and usually better aligned release schedule for the critical graphics stack.

As a function of time, you are increasingly likely to get rug pulled once Shuttleworth decides to collect his next ransom.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by tasuki »

mmcnl wrote: post #49
happymellon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snaps? Proprietary package managers are never great.

I don't really understand why this is such a big problem. You don't have to use snaps.

I'm with my neighbor comments. How do you use Ubuntu without snaps? The base Ubuntu install already comes with several snaps. Installing random things through apt leads to snaps. I personally do not know how to avoid snaps on Ubuntu.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by Santosh83 »

happymellon wrote: post #46
zvmaz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

Snaps? Proprietary package managers are never great.

As I understand it, snap the package format is not proprietary. Its as open source as say flatpak. What is proprietary is Canonical official snap store, and they patch their version of snap to only use that store. It'd be the same as flatpak being tied to only flathub.

Of course that goes against the spirit of FOSS, but there's a bit more nuance there than simply saying "snaps are proprietary".

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by badsectoracula »

accrual wrote: post #17

> i386 is no longer supported as a regular architecture: there is no official kernel and no Debian installer for i386 systems. The i386 architecture is now only intended to be used on a 64-bit (amd64) CPU. Users running i386 systems should not upgrade to trixie. Instead, Debian recommends either reinstalling them as amd64, where possible, or retiring the hardware. Impressive that i386 support made it all the way to A…

AFAICT this refers to Debian support, the Linux kernel does support 32bit CPUs though only since the original Pentium (excluding some clones).

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by duskwuff »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #62

It can be a little hard to navigate to so the .torrent links for x86-64 are Minimal: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/deb... Full: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/de...

Note that you probably don't need the DVD ("full") image. Most users should use the "minimal" netinstall CD and download packages at install time.
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