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AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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Neither chat-gpt nor gemini got the same answer as the article for me

` What animal is featured on a flag of a country where the first small British colony was established in the same year that Sweden's King Gustav IV Adolf declared war on France? `

chatgpt: Final answer: Lion

gemini: A lion is featured on the flag of Sri Lanka.

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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Fresh plums right off the tree taste significantly better than the ones you can get in the produce isle, which are in turn better than canned, which are themselves still better than re-hydrated prunes. In scaling out computation to the masses, we went from locally grown plums that took a lot of work and were only available to a small number of people that had a plum tree or knew someone that had one, to building near…

Or slop with some plum aroma added. Seems like a good analogy.

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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Fresh plums right off the tree taste significantly better than the ones you can get in the produce isle, which are in turn better than canned, which are themselves still better than re-hydrated prunes. In scaling out computation to the masses, we went from locally grown plums that took a lot of work and were only available to a small number of people that had a plum tree or knew someone that had one, to building near…

I really don't like this analogy, and I really don't like the premise of this article. Writing software is only so scalable. It doesn't matter all of the shortcuts we take, like Electron and JavaScript. There are only so many engineers with so much time, and there are abundantly many problems to solve. A better analogy would be to look at what's happening to AI images and video. Those have 10,000x'd the fundamental c…

Totally agree with the core of your position. But the two perspectives are complementary, and perhaps even more deeply linked.

Initial attempts to alleviate any shortage are likely to result in a decrease in quality; initial attempts to improve quality are likely to reduce variability and thus variety. My point (and my reading of the article) is that we're at the stage where we've figured out how to turn out enough Hostess Twinkies that "let them eat cake!" is a viable option, and starvation is being driven back.

This is definite progress, but also highlights previous failures and future work.

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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eh I feel this but it's a lot simpler than that. Not "if everyone built everything correctly" but "if everyone's work was even slightly better than complete garbage". I do not see many examples of companies building things that are not complete embarrassing shit. I worked at some companies and the things we built was complete embarrassing shit. The reasons are obvious: nobody cares internally to do it, and nobody ext…

Wait, which is the correct programming language to defend? C and Javascript are on pretty opposite sides of most spectra....

Languages which are not hard to use and dangerous. I work in C professionally right now but would much rather work in either Zig or Rust.

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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Yeah dream on. I’m an engineer and know what structured data is. And yet I miserably fail to store my private files in a way that I can find them back without relying on search tools. So how on earth are we ever going to organize all the world’s data and knowledge? Thank god we found this sub-optimal “band aid” called LLMs!

Precisely this. This article might seem reasonable to anybody who has never tried to organize something as simple as a local music collection.

Made me think about John Wilkins' "philosophical language" which I first heard about in Neal Stephenson's book Quicksilver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_Towards_a_Real_Charac...

I'm sure there have been countless similar attempts at categorizing knowledge

one of the more successful ones being the dewey decimal system

I have my doubts about whether the thing the OP alleges we have "failed" at is even possible at all

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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"Why didn't the semantic web happen?" I have literally been doing we development since their was a web, and the companies I developed for are openly hostile to the idea of putting their valuable, or perceived valuable, information online in a format that could be easily scraped. Information doesn't want to be free, it wants to be paid for. Unless the information shared pulls visitors to the site it doesn't need to be…

> Information doesn't want to be free, it wants to be paid for. Unless the information shared pulls visitors to the site it doesn't need to be public. That's a cultural and societal problem, not a technology problem. The motivations (profit) are wrong, and don't lead to true innovations, only to financialization. So long as people need to pay to eat, then information will also want to continue to be paid for, and our…

You need profit or you need post-scarcity or nothing works at all

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eh I feel this but it's a lot simpler than that. Not "if everyone built everything correctly" but "if everyone's work was even slightly better than complete garbage". I do not see many examples of companies building things that are not complete embarrassing shit. I worked at some companies and the things we built was complete embarrassing shit. The reasons are obvious: nobody cares internally to do it, and nobody ext…

Wait, which is the correct programming language to defend? C and Javascript are on pretty opposite sides of most spectra....

Programming languages are not on a spectrum. I guess they dislike the syntax of JS and the low-level no-batteries of C.

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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The essential meaning of technological progress is the utter inadequacy of humanity. We build cars that we never figure out how to safely drive, but being to arrogant to admit defeat and reconstruct society around trams like a sensible animal would do, we wait a century for cars that can drive themselves while the bodies pile up on the freeways in the meantime.

Yes it's true, we can't make a UI. Or a personal computer, or anything else that isn't deeply opaque to its intended users. But it's so much worse than that. We humans can't do hardly anything successfully besides build technology and beat each other in an ever expanding array of ridiculous pissing contests we call society.

Re: AI is impressive because we've failed at personal computing

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Fresh plums right off the tree taste significantly better than the ones you can get in the produce isle, which are in turn better than canned, which are themselves still better than re-hydrated prunes. In scaling out computation to the masses, we went from locally grown plums that took a lot of work and were only available to a small number of people that had a plum tree or knew someone that had one, to building near…

I really don't like this analogy, and I really don't like the premise of this article. Writing software is only so scalable. It doesn't matter all of the shortcuts we take, like Electron and JavaScript. There are only so many engineers with so much time, and there are abundantly many problems to solve. A better analogy would be to look at what's happening to AI images and video. Those have 10,000x'd the fundamental c…

This is a massive cope. AI image/video slop is still slop. Yes it's getting better, but it's still better .. slop. Unless radical new breakthroughs are made, the current LLM paradigm will not outdo Pixar or any other apex of human creativity. It'll always be instantly recognizable, as slop.

And if we allow it to take over society, we'll end up with a society that's also slop. Netflixification/marvelization only much much worse..

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