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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by brabel »

exe34 wrote: post #47
ttiurani wrote: post #34

As am environmentalist, I've talked to many people not living in the US who are losing hope on humanity because of this kind of constant stream of news coming out of the US. I understand how it happens, but I'd hope people understood that Trump's USA is not the world. Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA. At…

> Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA. One is in a box and can't really reach anything else without nukes. The other has his nukes in everybody's backyard, and the entire world economy depends on the world order that has him at the top.

The USA got to the top quickly, and might fall just as quickly. China is taking a wide lead already on many areas. The USA is still definitely controlling world order, but the system that put them at the top is already being challenged by the "global south" and you can see how the USA has noted that and is already actively trying to interfere with it (which just validates the effort as it shows they're taking it seriously).

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by softwaredoug »

I largely ignore this and just look around the world at the remarkable, sudden success of green energy and electric vehicles. We may solve the root of the problem while Republicans still call it a hoax.

(It’s mostly a sad statement now about US ceding a huge growth area for its industrial base here.)

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

jfengel wrote: post #24

The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.

We never moved past that. They always used whatever worked on their audience with no commitment to consistency.

If you are sophisticated then they have quite elaborate, yet factually incorrect, justifications about not hurting the global poor etc. that they'll use.

But if they can get some traction with blaming the Jews for orchestrating an elaborate conspiracy or a Chinese hoax or just blatant denial of reality and recorded fact they'll keep doing that too.

Whatever works. They have the money and the political power to get away with it.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by throw0101d »

jfengel wrote: post #24

The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.

> I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact.

I thought we were past the question of whether the Earth was round or flat. Yet here we are.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by vkou »

jfengel wrote: post #24

The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.

> I thought we were past that.

Honest people are past that.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

thrance wrote: post #58
chongli wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s not get carried away with hubris. Nature wrote our genes. Nature made us the way we are. All this nonsense you see going on is ultimately a result of cognitive biased thinking, especially confirmation bias. The fact that we differ so deeply from these biases was not our decision, it was thrust upon us by nature and it helped us survive in an environment very different from the one we found ourselves in now.

No, most people believe in climate change. In a fundamentally anti-human move, oligarchs have put a climate denier in office so he would push against doing anything about it, as it goes against their short-term interests.

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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by js8 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #45
simiones wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Save the planet? The planet's fine - it's us that are fucked." -- George Carlin

Yes, I always found environmental protection kind of funny, nature does not need protection, it will survive until Earth becomes finally uninhabitable [0], it's us that might not make it that long if we don't take enough care. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

What we call environmentalism is actually 5 different concerns:

- human health, pollution

- preservation of natural resources useful for humans

- preservation of biodiversity, nature in its original state

- concern for animal suffering

- aesthetic concern for human habitat

These things typically overlap, but sometimes they even contradict.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by wffurr »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #45
simiones wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Save the planet? The planet's fine - it's us that are fucked." -- George Carlin

Yes, I always found environmental protection kind of funny, nature does not need protection, it will survive until Earth becomes finally uninhabitable [0], it's us that might not make it that long if we don't take enough care. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

And how many other species will we take down with us?
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