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Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then they would just get removed in Australia, not worldwide.

My guess is that Steam wasn't able to adequately block the games in Austrailia. If people use a VPN to access the content, could Steam still be liable?

Your steam account has a record of the country it was created in, and so does your credit card when you use it. You'd have to also get a foreign credit card and create a new steam account to even use a VPN to buy games from another region.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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A classic tale. Finger pointing between merchants, card providers and banks. All of them: it was someone else!

In this story, Itch and Valve are 10x more trustworthy than the card processors.

The fact that Visa and MasterCard are the primary payment options for OnlyFans, makes this story a mess. Some time ago Visa and MasterCard very vocally banned Pornhub (at least) from using their cards, 100% sure this comes from them.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Dumb question: what if Steam only takes cash or crypto payment for these games, and leave them on the market? Cash is loaded from debit card and can be used for buying any games, while crypto apparently always works for everything. Would they still be on the hook?

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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If there was a law that mandates that payment processors have to accept all transactions, then there'd be no reason to cite "brand damage" because Mastercard could just point out that they're not in control because of the law, and no other processor could censor that content either.

Unfortunately, laws like EU AML law go the opposite direction, where banks are allowed to close accounts only if they deem them "too risky".. this is not good.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then they would just get removed in Australia, not worldwide.

My guess is that Steam wasn't able to adequately block the games in Austrailia. If people use a VPN to access the content, could Steam still be liable?

No, it's enough that they do basic geoblocking just like streaming and other companies.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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The US has some clear laws against government controlling speech and, in the abstract, that makes it pretty much impossible to censor games. Various factions - exactly who it is difficult to pin down - have been working hard to set up a system where they can shut things down without ever explicitly instructing anyone to do anything. This appears to be the system engaging by accident because some crazy from Australia…

> "The US has some clear laws against government controlling speech and, in the abstract, that makes it pretty much impossible to censor games." For background, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Entertainment_Merchan... ( "Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association" (2011) ( "ruling that video games were protected speech under the First Amendment as other forms of media" ))

First Amendment applies to the _government_, not private entities.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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>Bewildering to see the outrage over this. Get real, cleaning up the smut is not an attack on free speech or democracy. Sure, religious fascists enjoy this now, next they will remove GTA and shooter games, metal music and Hip HOp and when some Rust fanboy extremist will complain C++ and PHP content will be removed for safety reasons. We need to complain so religious fascist content is removed too

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Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Full title that doesn't fit in the HN headline: "Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down, but Valve says payment processors 'specifically cited' a Mastercard rule about damaging the brand" (For the people who don't click the link to read the article.)

There are definitely a lot of links in this chain. Maybe leafo can chime-in and say exactly what happened with Itch.io. But I suspect that someone downstream of Visa/Mastercard anticipated that the payment card companies would not permit the transactions and relayed that back up to the merchants, and they shut it off preemptively.

But it's hard to say. Mastercard is now saying that they never said or did anything. So where did the outrage come from? Someone must have done something.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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What's stopping a large, profitable company like Valve from starting its own payment processor? Surely the technology part of it can't be an impossible hurdle.

If they start their own payment processing company, they will then be subject to the same laws and regulations and the existing processing companies. Who manages the money doesn't matter. Even if you use Crypto, Steam would still remove the games due to the Australian law.
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