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Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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Deep breath. There’s no sense in trying to outcompete Google in burning cash. They’ve got time to wait until there’s the beginning of commodification of the tech, and a large profitable market to be had.

Or, apples just so bad at this they’re fumbling the bag. Billions in cash on hand each quarter but don’t have the balls that zuck has to pay unreasonable money. They have their own hardware like google does but are talking about perplexity??? They have all data but can’t seem to get an llm that can set an alarm and be a chatbot at the same time? Sometimes company’s just don’t do good enough.

> "They have all data but can’t seem to get an llm that can set an alarm and be a chatbot at the same time?"

This is actually one of the hardest frontier problems. The "general purpose" assistant is one of the singular hardest technical problems with LLMs (or any kind of NLP).

I think people are easily snowed by LLMs' apparent linguistic fluency that they impute that to capability. This cannot be further from the truth.

In reality a LLM presented with a vast array of tools has extremely poor reliability, so if you want a thing that can order delivery and remember your shopping list and remind you of your flight and play music you're radically exceeding the capabilities of current models. There's a reason successful (anything that isn't demoware/vaporware) uses of agentic LLMs tend to narrow-domain use cases.

There's a reason Google hasn't done it either, and indeed nor has anyone else: neither Anthropic nor OpenAI have a general purpose assistant (defined as being able to execute an indefinite number of arbitrary tools to do things for you, as opposed to merely converse with you).

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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post #30

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Lucrative but not cool. There's no long term strategy if there's no new, category-defining, cool products. People will eventually sour on the same-old, same-old and expensive, fragile, unrepairable products. Excessive greed obliterates goodwill. You don't seem to understand sj placed cool first, while TC was the bean counter and continues to optimize this while jumping the shark. Current Apple has a deep, systemic la…

Misinformed take IMO. M-series chips are insanely cool (literally and figuratively) and have no competition even five years in. Same with the W-series SoCs on watches. Are there any third-party haptic vibration motors yet? Shoot, even their trackpads, which already stood alone, have gotten _better_ over the years. Nobody else will have their own vertically-integrated modem out in production. This will make budget iPh…

You talk like a nerd.

Cool is a vibe, not tech specs and little things. It's a whole aura.

Apple is not cool.

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

#64
post #47

Tim Cook is a "Keep things ticking along" CEO, not a "Change course to a new destination" CEO. Initiatives like this will probably require different leadership to succeed.

>not a "Change course to a new destination" CEO.

Based on what exactly? He led the overhaul of a massive amount of Apple under his tenure.

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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post #37

What other companies have successfully integrated LLM tech in their mainstream products? To be clear, just having a chatbot website/app does not count.

Are you implying Apple integrated AI successfully? How do you use AI in Apple products?

- If you get into a car crash with your iPhone a ML model detects this and automatically calls emergency services.

- If you are wearing an Apple Watch a ML model is constantly analyzing your heart rhythm and will alert you to (some types of) irregularities. It's so computationally efficient it can literally do this in the background all day long.

- When you take any picture on any iPhone a whole array of ML models immediately run to improve the image. More models are used when manually editing images.

- After you save the photo ML models run to analyze and index the photo so it's easily searchable later. That's why you can search for "golden retriever" and get actual results.

- When you speak at your device (for example, to dictate a text message) there's a ML model that transcribes that into text. Likewise, when you're hands-free and want to hear an incoming text message, an ML model converts it to audio. All on-device and available offline at that.

Or are we playing that stupid game where "AI === LLM"?

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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Apple may be greedy but they can’t be accused of bungling long term strategy. While OpenAI sells $2 bills for $1, Tim Cook was out there increasing service revenue and profitability so that it was larger than Macs and iPads combined. Tim Cook presided over some incredibly lucrative product launches like AirPods, TV+, Apple Music, moved chip design in house which doubled Mac market share and has made the iPhone contin…

Lucrative but not cool. There's no long term strategy if there's no new, category-defining, cool products. People will eventually sour on the same-old, same-old and expensive, fragile, unrepairable products. Excessive greed obliterates goodwill. You don't seem to understand sj placed cool first, while TC was the bean counter and continues to optimize this while jumping the shark. Current Apple has a deep, systemic la…

I'm on a M4 with nano texture display. It's IMO the pinnacle of what a computer should be. I hate apple and their anti repair practices but wanted to chime in about how good the hardware has become.

If they push forward with local AI that can be somewhat trusted, it would be a huge win.

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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post #37

What other companies have successfully integrated LLM tech in their mainstream products? To be clear, just having a chatbot website/app does not count.

Adobe Nvidia

Aren’t LLMs distinct from image generation and manipulation models?

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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post #37

What other companies have successfully integrated LLM tech in their mainstream products? To be clear, just having a chatbot website/app does not count.

Are you implying Apple integrated AI successfully? How do you use AI in Apple products?

Does the amazing OCR in the macOS Preview app count? As someone who sometimes gets tracebacks sent to as screenshots, I'm really happy about it.

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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post #30

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Misinformed take IMO. M-series chips are insanely cool (literally and figuratively) and have no competition even five years in. Same with the W-series SoCs on watches. Are there any third-party haptic vibration motors yet? Shoot, even their trackpads, which already stood alone, have gotten _better_ over the years. Nobody else will have their own vertically-integrated modem out in production. This will make budget iPh…

Vertically-integrated modems are not cool. I mean, they are to me and likely other geeks, but to the general public? Their eyes would glaze over. Cool is the kind of thing people envy. It's the kind of product that gets namedropped in a music video.

You’re not thinking two or three orders out. It’s not about the modem, it’s about reducing the resource allocation of a boring component to make space for increasing the resources of other exciting components, taking the whole into account.

iPhone will get some new exciting feature and everyone will wonder how they managed to do it at the price point nobody else can.

Re: Tim Cook rallying Apple employees around AI efforts

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post #7

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Isn't a larger concern that Tim "Services" Cook failed to skate where the puck was headed on this one? 15 years ago the Mac had Nvidia drivers, OpenCL support and a considerable stake in professional HPC. Today's Macs have none of that. Every business has to make tradeoffs, it's just hard to imagine that any of these decisions were truly worthwhile with the benefit of hindsight. After the botched launch of Vision Pro…

Don't abandon Intel Macs, then and call them Mac AI systems with NVIDIA chips. Sell them for more than the Apple Silicon Macs.

No one would buy slower hotter computers for more money. Most people who own Apple computers today are extremely satisfied with Apple silicon, and AI enthusiasts are an increasing large slice of those people (since there really isn’t anything else and getting a 3090/4099/5090 is still hard and expensive).
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