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'Why are these people so upset I'm just bulldozing their home'
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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
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> I am guessing that no-one ever gets convicted for this murder. He was arrested by Israeli police for questioning, but was later released on house arrest while an investigation continued. About a dozen Israeli soldiers raided the mourning tent, pushing those attending out while keeping a thumb on the pin of a stun grenade. Soldiers declared the area a closed military zone and said only residents of the village could…
Was there ever a single serious arrest and conviction of anybody on Israel side in past 2 decades, be it civilians or IDF? Serious question, it doesn't seems so in similar attacks (and they are not that rare and will probably escalate)
A few, for example Meir Ettinger, an hilltop youth leader has served some time in jail.
The idea for Israel was to have its national criminal jurisdictions prosecute just enough to not be seen as failing by the ICC and meet its 'complementarity' criterion [0]. Even spying on ICC staff to see who it was investigating.
At least that's how it used to be, now they just threaten the ICC.
[0]: https://www.pgaction.org/ilhr/rome-statute/complementarity.h...
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> Genocide is the intentional targeting of civilians. You have no proof of that. Look at satellite images of Gaza. Consider how people there actually live, in temporary tent cities with little access to food, clean water, and medical treatment. Consider also the extent of "accidental" civilian casualties -- with more deaths among Gazan women and children than among Hamas fighters. Then consider that these unarmed civ…
> How do you see them living in five years? Almost nothing is left standing in Gaza.
Depends mostly on how they react, I think. How would Germany have looked in 1950 if it hadn't surrendered but instead transitioned into a partisan war against occupying Allied forces?
Anyone who is militarily defeated and wants peace must eventually surrender and stop trying to wage war. Germany managed to do that in Europe and make peace, and not immediately try to rearm to try again like they did after WW1.
That's not a statement on what's happening in Gaza today, but on what happens in Gaza in 5 years. Had the Arab nations accepted their defeat 70 years ago, we'd be looking at a very different history.
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#65That's really sad. The Isreali man really should not have been there, but I have to recognise a couple of things. 1) I don't know what anyone is saying except, ironically, plea's of someone near the camera man asking the Israeli man to "Shoot me". 2) I do not know what lead up to this confrontation 3) I have been in a circumstance before where a large group of people are acting frantic and in a threatening way and it…
From watching the video it doesn't appear although anyone other than the settler was armed.
Being armed is not a requisite.
If anything being armed in that situation is incredibly stupid, because you'll still panic and now you're acting irrationally with a deadly weapon. The weapon can be used (as this example) or taken off you.
I speak from experience, I got mobbed upon by a local gang, thought it would be smart to arm myself with a prop sword in order to stop them advancing.
It didn't stop them, and in fact the sword was taken off me (because it was a prop, and I wouldn't have used it even if it wasn't to be honest) - and they proceeded to smash it over my head sending me to hospital.
All of this is only obvious with a clear head, and in hindsight. Being in that situation as a human being is just.. awful. I don't recommend it.
EDIT: I'm getting flagged a lot from emotional people; I think this is part of why I really dislike this topic, we know nothing except how we feel and refuse to look at things objectively - and we're not even qualified to do that anyway. So everything becomes pornography to confirm our biases and to drown out anyone who doesn't immediately call for the end of Israel.
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Defending? You mean colonizing. And Israel literally did terrorist attacks on Jews in Arab countries to make them flee to the newly occupied land.
Israel has both defended itself from literal invasions neighboring countries and violently seized ("colonized") land from people already living there. The two are not mutually incompatible.
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#68This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.
It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!
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#69The game theory, as per recent events, is as follows: 1. Hamas doesn't accept a two-state solution. 2. Israel is therefore forced into implementing a one-state solution.
It looks like israel is the one rejecting 2-state solutions*
* - 2-state means 2 co-equal states, with equal people, and equal rights (including the equal right to be safe from the other)