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Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by aspenmayer »

falcor84 wrote: post #57
bluefirebrand wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And 55% were >10 years dev experience This doesn't mean they aren't Juniors though

It does. Whatever they are, they aren't junior developers any more. As a hiring manager, I wouldn't hire a dev with >10 years experience into a junior role - if they're still at junior level, it's not that they're a junior, it's that they're unable to progress, which is a whole different issue.

I think the person you're responding to has likely read this quote or one like it, and perhaps you haven't? I assume that they're referencing it in an offhand way.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4627373

> Some people have 10 years of experience. Others have 1 year of experience 10 times.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by lenerdenator »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #58
lenerdenator wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub Copilot and Cline are significantly less condescending.

If SO disappeared, I wonder what effect it would have in the training of LLMs as languages and tooling continue to evolve.

I feel like the main corpus for GHCP, at least, is probably just GitHub.

SO is filled with all sorts of questions from 10-15 years ago that aren't up-to-date with the languages and tooling of today. If you develop in a language that is substantially different from what it used to be (JavaScript, Python, etc.) that is problematic.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by sapiogram »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #22

C# as popular and commonly used as java? Hmm either I'm woefully behind the times, most java devs aren't answering SO surveys, or the data is wrong. Then again the fact that C# is used in indie game dev probably gives it a serious boost in the 'evangelical user' category. It is a nice language, I just find java to be far more used in industry. Also, the editors? I'm sorry I've simply never gotten vsCode when jetbrain…

In Norway, C# seems to have surpassed Java in the finance sector several years ago. C# is also much bigger than Java in game development.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by gt0 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #22

C# as popular and commonly used as java? Hmm either I'm woefully behind the times, most java devs aren't answering SO surveys, or the data is wrong. Then again the fact that C# is used in indie game dev probably gives it a serious boost in the 'evangelical user' category. It is a nice language, I just find java to be far more used in industry. Also, the editors? I'm sorry I've simply never gotten vsCode when jetbrain…

In Australia, C# feels more popular than Java. I used to take on freelance projects in both and had far more work in C#.

I agree it'll pop up more with "evangelical users" though, 100%.

I've often thought that when you see Mac and Linux more strongly represented than you'd expect, I do wonder when people dual boot Windows 95% and Linux 5%, are they ticking the box for Linux? Does the VB.net hostage even bother to fill in the survey?

Agree on VS Code, it's OK if you can't find support elsewhere, but the JetBrains stuff is just in a different class.

My beard is only partially grey, but I agree with you.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #22

C# as popular and commonly used as java? Hmm either I'm woefully behind the times, most java devs aren't answering SO surveys, or the data is wrong. Then again the fact that C# is used in indie game dev probably gives it a serious boost in the 'evangelical user' category. It is a nice language, I just find java to be far more used in industry. Also, the editors? I'm sorry I've simply never gotten vsCode when jetbrain…

I think you're grossly overlooking swathes of relatively small, non-tech companies that just treat Microsoft as the default for everything. Need a programming language? C#'s there. Need a coding text editor? VSCode.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by s1mplicissimus »

The numbers don't add up to 100%. I personally draw strong conclusions about the overall quality of statistics when I find an obvious error just from scanning over it.

Highly trust 3.1%

Somewhat trust 29.6%

Somewhat distrust 26.1%

Highly distrust 19.6%

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sum 78.4%

source: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/ai#2-accuracy-of-ai-too...

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by lostmsu »

chistev wrote: post #31
lostmsu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "sexy" ... web frameworks, LLMs ... on Macs Oh my, I don't even know where to start on this one. If programming is sex, web programming is submission. Sure it sounds fun, but not for regular people. As for LLMs I can't imagine a situation where I'd want to run them on Macs and ditch my Nvidia graphics. The real reason is that Windows users are just not very loud.

>The real reason is that Windows users are just not very loud. And why's that?

I dunno. I work on my PC. At some point I feel like 64GB RAM is not enough. I open Amazon and order another 64GB. Some other time I think if I upgrade my CPU my IDE experience would be better. Depending on the generation, I either order another CPU or get a whole new PC altogether (these days I also redistribute my GPUs between the old and the new one).

And so on. I assume everyone else with PCs does the same. So when I go to web forums I don't usually talk about that.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by phendrenad2 »

biggestfan wrote: post #12

"49,000+" makes this the least responses the survey has gotten since 2016 ("over fifty thousand"), every year in between has been in the 65-100k range. Seems as though enthusiasm around SO has diminished significantly over the past year. My guess is that pro-AI devs have abandoned the site, and anti-AI devs are upset with their collaboration with AI companies.

I think people are abandoning SO because AI often gives better answers. And also SO search results on Google just got so much worse a few years ago, you search Google for "how to do X in framework Y" and get SO results about doing X in framework Z.

Re: 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by johnisgood »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #59
hu3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can repeat the same question to AI all day and it is happy to help me.

Which is something you shouldn't ever do to a human. SO made you search and think before posting, while AI trains people to outsource thinking. For all its failings, SO strived for a very high signal-to-noise ratio, and it achieved it.

As others have said this before, AI is a tool and it is not supposed to nor should replace thinking. Unfortunately many people does not abide by this. See the other submission where people made a 128k line PR to a project: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44729461.

It is clear that the guy responsible for this PR outsourced thinking. I would call it "misuse of LLMs". LLMs get a bad rep because of individuals who completely outsource thinking.

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