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Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by nsksl »

roxolotl wrote: post #40
harringdev wrote: post #25

This is very hard to take seriously, it feels ideologically driven. The introduction where they claim LLMs are useless for software engineering is just incorrect. They are useful for many software engineering tasks. I do think that vibe coding is rubbish however, and more junior SWEs very regularly misuse LLMs to produce nonsense code. The only substantive point is that the LLM may regurgitate pieces of proprietary t…

Why is something ideologically driven inherently not worth taking seriously? I appreciate maybe their understanding will be more challenging to change but people don’t necessarily arrive at ideologies for unserious reasons nor do ideologies have unserious results.

Because decisions like these have to be taken purely on the basis of technical merits, not political ideology.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by 000ooo000 »

nsksl wrote: post #61
roxolotl wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is something ideologically driven inherently not worth taking seriously? I appreciate maybe their understanding will be more challenging to change but people don’t necessarily arrive at ideologies for unserious reasons nor do ideologies have unserious results.

Because decisions like these have to be taken purely on the basis of technical merits, not political ideology.

Says who?

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by rootnod3 »

It seems apparent in this thread that any remote criticism of AI results in downvotes.

Yes, the article might have some wording issues, but for an operating system project to choose to not allow AI written code for a product that is inherently in need of good security, and rather opt for “think before you write and fully understand what you are doing”, I don’t think that their choice is invalid.

I wouldn’t wanna get into a plane where have the core systems are written by hallucinating AI.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by salawat »

lucumo wrote: post #59
salawat wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The historical luddites were not heroes of the working class. They were a special interest that used violence to keep less skilled people out of their industry, so they could keep making more money than the hoi pollo. You mean like Doctors and lawyers? Make no mistake. Laws are threats. You can tell yourself it's about some imagined Quality concern, but the extreme resource burden to enter the field creates a stark…

> it's the kind of rapid progress at all costs, bundled with lack of care who gets left behind by it As opposed to the status quo at all costs, bundled with a lack of care for who gets to stay in the gutter? They were just another special interest group that wanted to keep more of the pie for themselves, at the expense of people poorer than them. And they used violence to try to achieve that.

>As opposed to the status quo at all costs, bundled with a lack of care for who gets to stay in the gutter?

How about slower incremental change with actual effort put into the costs and downstream effects/Externalities? I know, who has time for that though. Someone else's problem right?

>They were just another special interest group that wanted to keep more of the pie for themselves, at the expense of people poorer than them.

Ever heard the phrase "Every accusation an admission?" Often we end up projecting what we can't consciously think and work forward with through onto the intents of others. It's too destructive to the conscious narrative, so ends up externalized into the "other" in spite of blossoming just as fruitfully in the self. You've demonstrated to me, at least you see the game, and you recognize how it's played, and the consequences of not playing it.

>And they used violence to try to achieve that.

They broke machines. And they were beaten, strike broken, vilified and abused by capital wielders who were, in point of fact, not much poorer than them, as they could afford the machines in question, and when faced with the opportunity to divest themselves of the burden of doing business with those pesky tradesmen, were only so happy to do so.

Statistical voyeurism is a capitalist's favorite pass time. All the sexy of number go up, none of the burden of of the other side of balance sheet.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by josefritzishere »

000ooo000 wrote: post #64
nsksl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because decisions like these have to be taken purely on the basis of technical merits, not political ideology.

Says who?

Two large scale studies so far. It's worth saying that thus far there have only been two studies on the efficiency gains AI produces and they both report that it's a negative number. Perhaps later studies will rebuke those findings but SCIENCE! At this time we lack findinfs that support the contention that AI is a benefit at least when measures as work hours.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by serf »

Have whatever opinion you want , we're going to rapidly run into issues where certain organizations are outran by others that have more liberal policies about this kind of work.

Call it slop all you want, doesn't change the unreasonable effectiveness that some individuals seem to have with such systems.

Re: Generative AI. "Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use [ ]"

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #60
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #53

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> I'm generally against the environmental movements why is that, may I ask? Always interested to learn about alternative viewpoints.

Often it's either overblown or outright wrong and just used by wealthy people to manipulate the public. I think protecting the environment is very important but most political environmental movements are doing something else.

Yeah fair enough, there is a lot of bullshit greenwashing and attempts to blame the public for corporations use of plastic, burning fuel, etc.

Green movements can sometimes be their own worst enemy too, letting perfect be the enemy of good and blocking small improvements because they don’t go far enough.

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