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Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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I'm sure you didn't mean to, but you've crossed into being aggressive with another user. Please don't do that on HN—not with anyone, and least of all new users who deserve to be welcomed and treated charitably, not harrassed for not already knowing HN's arcane and rather primitive formatting rules*. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html * (which, btw, are at https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc )

Apologies that I caused a situation you had to deal with, genuinely.

Something I'm chewing on: we're in a bit of a sticky wicket if new accounts can post LLM-generated content and saying as such is aggressive.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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post #53

Why isn't there a decently done code editor with VSCode level features but none of the spyware garbage? Any recommendations? This seems like an easy win for a software project

Why isn't there a decently done code editor with VSCode level features but none of the spyware garbage?

Isn't that what VS Codium is for?

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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They don't want telemetry ever disabled, even for a minority of people who do toggle it off. Why?

Disabling telemetry might be interpreted as a self-indicated signal of "I have something to hide", so they jack up the snooping.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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post #53

Why isn't there a decently done code editor with VSCode level features but none of the spyware garbage? Any recommendations? This seems like an easy win for a software project

Why isn't there a decently done code editor with VSCode level features but none of the spyware garbage? Isn't that what VS Codium is for?

VSCodium I think was abandoned. It was extremely buggy last time I used it.

Either way it uses electron. Which I hate so much.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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post #53

Why isn't there a decently done code editor with VSCode level features but none of the spyware garbage? Any recommendations? This seems like an easy win for a software project

Because someone has to fund it?

Microsoft is content with funding it, the price is your telemetry (for now).

For high quality development tools I use true FOSS; or I pay for my tools to avoid not knowing where the value is being extracted.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you didn't mean to, but you've crossed into being aggressive with another user. Please don't do that on HN—not with anyone, and least of all new users who deserve to be welcomed and treated charitably, not harrassed for not already knowing HN's arcane and rather primitive formatting rules*. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html * (which, btw, are at https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc )

Apologies that I caused a situation you had to deal with, genuinely. Something I'm chewing on: we're in a bit of a sticky wicket if new accounts can post LLM-generated content and saying as such is aggressive.

(First, thanks for this reply, which was nicer and more receptive than I was expecting!)

We don't want LLM-generated content any more than you do, and I'm confident that the vast majority of the community agrees. The problem is that there are lots of nuances yet to be worked out, so we shouldn't be heavy-handed.

Is it ok, for example, for a non-native speaker to use an LLM to fix up their English? I'd say it's clear that HN would be better off with what they originally wrote; non-native speakers are totally welcome, nearly always do just fine, and we want to hear people in their own voice, not passed through a mechanical filter. But someone who doesn't know HN very well and is nervous about their English couldn't know that.

People need to be treated gently. The cost of being hostile to newcomers, instead of focusing on what's interesting about their work, drowns out the benefit of enforcing conventions. It drives away people we ought to embrace. The community's zeal for protecting HN is admirable, but can easily turn unhelpful. The biggest threat to this site is not that its quality will collapse (it has been relatively stable for years now*), but that it will die due to lack of new users.

Like I said, I'm sure you didn't mean to have that effect. The problem is that most of us underestimate such effects in our own comments, so we end up propagating it without meaning to. The fact that several users replied indicating that they felt this way (edit: I mean that they felt your original post was too hostile) is a strong indicator.

* not that it's all that great, but these things are relative

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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post #24

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Calling out leople who trust software from ByteDance, and not calling out people who trust software by Microsoft (i.e. VSCode) is a bit hypocritic. Both are faceless corps that produce unethical software.

Don't forget that the remote editing feature in VSCode has you install non-free binaries on the remote machines. It's not like netdir where it just wraps openssh. I'm always surprised when corporate IT departments allow that given what's not allowed these days.

And responsible for a huge amount of disk usage on our experiments shared machines (due to a bunch of students using vscode, with each user having their own copies of magic binaries). I wonder if there's an easy way to block it...

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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post #53

Why isn't there a decently done code editor with VSCode level features but none of the spyware garbage? Any recommendations? This seems like an easy win for a software project

I'm eying Zed. Unfortunately I am dependent on a VS Code extension for a web framework I use. VS Code might have gotten to a critical level of network effect with their extensions, which might make it extremely sticky.
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