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Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by bee_rider »

microtonal wrote: post #54
pimeys wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been running Linux on my laptop and on my workstation since the 90's. Still using it as my main driver. Fedora Kinoite is my distro of choice, and Lenovo AMD Thinkpad T14s the laptop. Everything works flawless, and it's still pretty fast even though it's two years old already. And I do not miss at all the Microsoft bullsh*t on tracking and advertising. Or the general sluggishness of Windows.

I used to be quite cynical about these posts. I used Linux as my main desktop from 1994-2007 and switched to Mac then. I would periodically try on laptops Linux again, but there were always things broken in bad ways. Early this year I bought a ThinkPad T14 Gen 5 AMD. In contrast to when I had a T14 Gen 1 AMD early 2020s, everything just works. All the hardware works, suspend/resume works, all the hardware comes up af…

I’ve used it from probably… 2010 or so, to now. I recall some stuff like WiFi being vaguely annoying in the beginning. But, things seemed to get pretty good post 2015.

You were here for the really hard stuff, and missed the beginning of the good times, I think. Unlucky! Oh well. Welcome back!

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by bee_rider »

tom89999 wrote: post #23

I am fed up with the linux world. I run Ubuntu on a randomly selected Thinkpad, everything works, outta the box. Why should i buy a new laptop because it holds another cpu doing the exact workload? I cant code faster, cant talk faster with people and being productive 8hrs strait is just a lie. Since almost 10years i read about pre-installed devices, but i dont see them anywhere. Most companies dont have business linu…

This sort of device is not really “the Linux world,” it is a company trying to provide Linux to people outside it; people who need pre-installs.

It is fine, and good of them to try, but if you don’t need it, you don’t need it.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by mzur »

pentamassiv wrote: post #7

If you are thinking about getting a Tuxedo, I suggest to get something else. I got one because they promised fwupd support, upstreamed drivers and maybe coreboot support. None of that is working even years afterwards. People from the kernel got so fed up with them, they considered blacklisting them [1]. That seemed like a wakeup call as they now at least started with upstreaming drivers. If you want to change some se…

I'm a happy user of my second Tuxedo laptop after using the first for over 7 years, repairing several parts. I found their support very responsive and spare parts affordable. Your points are valid though. If you don't like their custom stuff, the device also works fine with a stock Linux install (Ubuntu in my case).

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by bilgi42 »

If it's not fully supported and has major roadbumps, which it has, it is not supported. I don't know why companies take linux users as fools that'll accept anything thrown at them. Until lenovo can get their shit together and make a respectable laptop with 12h+ battery life, good build quality and a decent enough screen even on the worst configs, im not getting it

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by bee_rider »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #60
pjmlp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two of the reasons I eventually gave up on Desktop Linux, were virtualization getting good enough for just keep using Windows instead, back in the day with VMware Workstation and Virtual Box, nowadays with WSL (macOS is anyway UNIX enough for me to care otherwise). And exactly the same experience with OEM vendors that were supposed to be Linux friendly, on my case the whole netbooks effort, where graphics, video deco…

Funny to read replies to your comment. One can be sure that on HN for every single critical comment about Linux viability one gets multiple responses claiming that Linux is perfect and without issues. Inb4: I have used Linux exclusively from 2019 to 2024. It wasn't that bad but it wasn't flawless. At least once per month I met some issue that took few hours to solve. Currently on Win11, zero problems (yes, I am using…

In this case it turns out they got… one comment that was strongly pro-Linux, one that mentioned they didn’t have trouble but only as an aside before going on to discuss Tuxedo, and one that was softly positive but acknowledged the trouble of checking hardware beforehand.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by bradfa »

mehdibl wrote: post #48

This sound nice but I don't like the incompatibility with x86. Docker and many other things. Yeah we need some trade off's. But for dev's & a lot of ops stuff I enjoy more x86 as it's de facto standard.

Docker works fine on arm. Docker has multi-arch image support and it works seamlessly if implemented correctly. Tons of docker images already support multi-arch. https://www.docker.com/blog/multi-arch-build-and-images-the-...

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by kcb »

E39M5S62 wrote: post #41
teo_zero wrote: post #5

> the current Linux Kernel 6.15 already supports many commercial laptops: Lenovo Yoga 7x, Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, Dell XPS 13, Asus Vivobook S15, HP Omnibook x14, Microsoft Surface 13/15 Has anybody had any first-hand experience with Linux on such laptops?

I run Linux on a Thinkpad T13s, with the previous generation of Snapdragon CPUs. It runs great - quick, excellent battery life and very stable. Installation is a bit obnoxious, but nothing a modestly seasoned Linux veteran can't handle.

I have one of those too. Found a nice 32gb spec one on eBay for a good price. Last I tried Ubuntu the main issues were the speakers were very quiet and usb-c display out didn't work.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by bornfreddy »

bradfa wrote: post #66
mehdibl wrote: post #48

This sound nice but I don't like the incompatibility with x86. Docker and many other things. Yeah we need some trade off's. But for dev's & a lot of ops stuff I enjoy more x86 as it's de facto standard.

Docker works fine on arm. Docker has multi-arch image support and it works seamlessly if implemented correctly. Tons of docker images already support multi-arch. https://www.docker.com/blog/multi-arch-build-and-images-the-...

But tons of them also don't. And for those that don't, there are usually alternatives available, but they are just that tiny bit different. So while Docker works, there is extra effort needed to use it.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by arend321 »

I'm waiting for Android Virtualization Framework to run a full Linux distro on my smartphone with portable monitor (glasses). Already using Termux but AVF is hopefully much more performant. Maybe the Samsung S26 Ultra will have full support. I might ditch my miniPC if this works out.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by jraph »

teo_zero wrote: post #5

> the current Linux Kernel 6.15 already supports many commercial laptops: Lenovo Yoga 7x, Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, Dell XPS 13, Asus Vivobook S15, HP Omnibook x14, Microsoft Surface 13/15 Has anybody had any first-hand experience with Linux on such laptops?

Flawless on a ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 9 and on an HP EliteBook G6.
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