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Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Every large country is doing that everywhere constantly. It's not an exclusive of the ones you don't like.

How does the US influence elections in Russia/China? Also, I care about my children not growing up in a dictatorship. As such, their manipulation affects me directly... You should too. You won't like being treated like a literal slave. Deflecting like this just empowers the same manipulation.

> How does the US influence elections in Russia/China?

Are you claiming the CIA doesn't exist? Are you claiming there was never any stay behind organisation? Are you claiming the entire continent of south america doesn't see USA intervention every time they vote wrong?

I also don't like dictatorships, and USA propped dictators aren't any better than russian ones.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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The tech industry overwhelmingly voted against Trump. Pick a different boogeyman

who did most of the tech billionaires sponsor?

Most tech billionaires didn't endorse anyone because the election was close and they wanted to avoid scrutiny by either party. A few high profile tech billionaires endorsed Donald Trump

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Because a LOT of people have been left out of economic progress in Europe especially, and in the US. They want, even need change, and Trump came with a "believable" story for change. As in, more change than a president Harris would have delivered. Unless we get economic progress more equally spread this will get worse and worse.

I don't think this is true or at least is not reflected by any statistics. Inequality, as measured by GINI has been falling both for the EU as a whole and within most European countries for decades now. The last decade in particular has seen declines in nearly all EU countries. Taking the EU on average the last time it increased was in 2014 - which is to be expected as the 2013 expansion allowed a number of relativel…

Gini does not give a full picture, it is just one measure.

Here is a German podcast on the high quality "Deutschlandfunk".

Headline: "Only the top four percent make it to the top in Germany."

> Despite political upheavals over the past 150 years, Germany's elites have remained the same. Sociologist Michael Hartmann criticizes the fact that only four percent of the population shapes the country. He calls for a quota of working-class children on executive boards.

Same with Germany's schools, my country has one of the worst records when it comes to mixing it up. Those who come from well-educated parents will become well-educated. Society is quite static.

Next, Germany puts the majority of the financial burden of financing the country on incomes from work. Income from capital, or much worse, inheritances, are not even considered, whenever the government needs to plug holes it's going to come from working income.

Also, the number of bad jobs, especially those where even many engineers don't work for the actual employer, but for companies that lend them out, has only risen decade by decade to absurd heights. Employers may claim that is to work around the strict labor laws, that they cannot just fire somebody they don't want, but that is an incomplete statement at best. The entire economy has gone away from stable long-term, even life jobs, to ever more insecure employment. That is part of why our birth-rate has just dropped to new record lows too, there is just too little security and too much uncertainty in one's live these days.

We are also terrible at providing housing, which also depresses the labor market because moving has become risky and costly, there just is no housing no matter where you go, and if you find something it's likely to be much more expensive than what you had.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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The real game the current administration is playing is to land on Mars before their current term expires. This mirrors the political, prestige, and technology triumph of the Kennedy administration. This is why the BBB Bill refocussed on the Mars mission despite having cuts. What is being cut is otherwise a symptom of the budget deficit (7%) and the fact that politically they cut areas where there are not republican v…

Good framing but IMHO it’s a bit like thinking by analogy.

Last time, USA was behind in space race and they didn’t just use what they already had to go to the moon, instead they started a huge movement that inspired and educated generations of scientist and engineers. this redeemed all the issues with cutting services from other places to go to the moon.

This time around, it looks like a desperate attempt to do something that worked in the past and looks impressive on face value, but it’s actually empty inside.

Last time, huge number of people were provided with resources and education that had outstanding impact on America, much much more than the act of landing on the moon did by itself.

This time you get resources directed to a generation of hateful people and sex offenders who use the already available technology to produce a show.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Thanks, tech industry! A generational disruption in all forms of science and the destruction of the crown jewels of America’s last century, but at least now you get to be ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers.

You could swap "tech" for "big media" and just play the same blame game for Reagan's and Bush Jr's elections. > the crown jewels of America’s last century Including Nasa in this pure idealization of the past. Nasa had many flaws that enabled a catastrophic Shuttle program and then the slow loss of US go-to-LEO capability. There's probably more to expect of US investment in space without incompetent or contradictory m…

Do you remember when a President of the United States was impeached for an affair with an adult intern?

Do you remember when a Republican presidential nominee defended his opponent from a racist question at a Republican Rally, calling him a "decent family man?"

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Then, can you think of a time when a POTUS committed a pump a security he was selling, only to dump it immediately after his inauguration, and it it was barely talked about at at all?

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> ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers Which one? If you want to blame anyone, try the financial sector and financialization of everything. They fed the conflagration and created perfect condition for Trump-like figure to rise.

I work for one of the largest financial companies. It's not us or the sector. There's a whole shadow sector behind the scenes doing this stuff run by billionaire funded think tanks who manipulated tech markets and leverage political and social manipulation through their connections. It's the world we live in but we didn't create it. Shit education leads to pliable humans leads to social manipulation leads to desired…

is that same people that I was thinking????

I know they all one to blame even they control government

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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How does the US influence elections in Russia/China? Also, I care about my children not growing up in a dictatorship. As such, their manipulation affects me directly... You should too. You won't like being treated like a literal slave. Deflecting like this just empowers the same manipulation.

> How does the US influence elections in Russia/China? Are you claiming the CIA doesn't exist? Are you claiming there was never any stay behind organisation? Are you claiming the entire continent of south america doesn't see USA intervention every time they vote wrong? I also don't like dictatorships, and USA propped dictators aren't any better than russian ones.

Are you claiming that there's something negative about stay-behind organizations? Those are a critical part of defense and deterrence.

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Because a LOT of people have been left out of economic progress in Europe especially, and in the US. They want, even need change, and Trump came with a "believable" story for change. As in, more change than a president Harris would have delivered. Unless we get economic progress more equally spread this will get worse and worse.

I don't think this is true or at least is not reflected by any statistics. Inequality, as measured by GINI has been falling both for the EU as a whole and within most European countries for decades now. The last decade in particular has seen declines in nearly all EU countries. Taking the EU on average the last time it increased was in 2014 - which is to be expected as the 2013 expansion allowed a number of relativel…

The problem with those stats for Ireland is that the Gini coefficient measured by the World Bank just looks at household income, not wealth. Much of the inequality in Ireland in the last few decades has been driven by the explosion in property prices and rents. This has created a great deal of inequality between people who benefited from the rapid increase in price of those assets, and the people stuck paying much higher rents. In roughly a generation (30 years) property prices have increased by roughly 600% after adjusting for inflation.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/QIEN628BIS

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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i too knew a lot of NASA employed peopled and it’s always regrettable to lose a job but.. what the heck was our space program doing? i know they blamed changing leadership and changing budget but the space shuttle’s replacement program was run horribly. the only working part of cape canaveral was whatever spy satellites they needed to launch. thankfully spaceX does a pretty good job and while I wish it was still nasa…

Run a profit? What does that mean? What profitable business is currently available for an aeronautics and space agency that was never about making "profit".

NASA should launch internet sattellite like starlink so they can profit off something but its too late

I think the thinking that government body is not for profit is misleading since you want a bit of independence in terms on financial budget

see what happen when government change stance, NASA hiring and firing depends on political mood at the point

having an profitable business wouldn't make NASA cut the job if government decide to cut the budget

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