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What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by worldofmatthew »

RansomStark wrote: post #35
Havoc wrote: post #18

It’s the checking part that’s the bigger issue to me. Speaks to some weapons grade incompetence at highest levels of government Sending passport scans to random sleezy websites that are likely not even under British jurisdiction is beyond insane

I think that is the point... Like most things UK government related, this is about what is best for us, and what is best for us, is no porn, and no privacy. Handing over details to sleazy websites is never going to happen. Everyone is going to use a VPN. That's the point. Next year, maybe the year after the government will concede that age verification didn't work and more needs to be done. Then they come for your VP…

I am planning a blog post soon on this topic and all the ways a "VPN Block" can be bypassed and how even trying could cause internet bills to skyrocket.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by Lockyy »

Adult content is whatever is deemed to be objectionable and abhorrent to the dominant social group within a culture and that which needs to be censored and hidden from public view. Beyond a desire to "protect the children" from sex, violence, and drugs. It is a desire to hide and suppress dissent around major social issues. It is a desire to label representation of trans liberation and queer lives as adult, obscene. And it is a desire to label realistic representations of history such as Maus and others as unsuitable for children.

This effort is because once labeled adult it is broadly socially acceptable to do anything and everything necessary to hide a concept from public life.

A specific recent example is Itch.io's recent removal of all content labeled adult, stemming from coordinated pressure by Collective Shout. The block has led to the hiding of some content labeled as lgbt, despite not containing adult content or being labeled that way.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by ciupicri »

homeonthemtn wrote: post #5

This is a relic mindset from the start of the Internet. The website itself even visually reflects that. Is there a marginal grey area around adult content? Yes. But beyond that margin is a vast ocean of explicit, intentional adult content. As someone who grew up in both the decentralized "new" era of the Internet, and now lives in the hyper localized algo driven version of it... It's all shit. And I'd never want my k…

I want kids to have the same freedom I had.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by amiga386 »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #36

I'm not trying to knock the author, but I would have used a much more durable example for experiencing nude content: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nude_sculptures

Puritans chiseled the penises off Greek statues, indeed the lead image of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship is a fig leaf over the penis of Michelangelo's David.

It wouldn't be appropriate to use a form of nudity we now find "acceptable" (statues and paintings), when those media were attacked in their time by the same type of prudes who attack modern media (JPEGs of nude women on websites)

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by JackFr »

thih9 wrote: post #51
zakki wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, many things are natural. Still we have many rules for it. I.e. naturally stronger animals kill weaker ones. Yet we don't want this happen in the human community.

Naturally stronger animals very often protect weaker ones too, especially within the same species. I know you’re trying to point out a logical fallacy; but I don’t think it is a good reason to ignore the grandparent commenter’s point.

The concept of natural vs. non-natural is a human and largely cultural construct.

It’s still a useful word, but it can’t really shoulder the burden of making one argument more rational than the other.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by diggan »

AdkamEup wrote: post #59
diggan wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it immediately makes me horny Some people suffer/enjoy getting aroused by cars, does that mean every car picture is sexual? Probably not. While fun to hear about others perspective, "suggestively sexual" usually requires at least some attempt at being suggestive, a pregnant woman just existing probably isn't suggestive, even though you find it so because of your sexual preferences. I don't know how old you are, but…

I wasn't debating "suggestive". The fine article claimed (and the parent quoted), "Absolutely nothing sexual"; that's what I disagree with. I agree that the photo is not suggestive; in other words, I fully agree that in the picture, she's not "soliciting" or even "provoking" (even without having any actual intent to participate). That's fine. She doesn't have to be suggestive, or to do anything other than exist and b…

So your argument is that because you happen to find the person attractive, the image itself is sexual? That would quickly lead us to classifying 90% of everything on the internet as sexual, as there is a wide range of stuff that makes people aroused, like people having sexual attraction to cars.

Maybe being able to discern our own perspectives and sexual preferences from a wider labeling of content might be beneficial?

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by ciupicri »

forinti wrote: post #9

Some Brazilian tribes had fertility festivals with dances meant to arouse the males, because simple nudity wasn't enough to get them interested in sex. So maybe making nudity less common or accessible only makes it more valuable as a sexual thing.

I guess this is what inspired the movie "Footloose" (1984) [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footloose

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by AdkamEup »

laurent_du wrote: post #50
macintux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question comes down to: is nudity inherently sexual? Not everyone feels it is.

Let's be real, everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual, except on HN and probably on reddit where men love to claim that it's not. I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else. It does sound weird and creepy to me - grown up men who claim that naked women are not arousing, the same men who rally en masse every time pornography censorship is discussed, to complain about freedom of e…

> I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else.

I think de-sensitization [*] may play a big role here; I'm convinced that the more porn you look at, the higher your threshold goes. I've not consumed any porn for years now (as I write in my other comment), and I find the lady in the picture extremely sexual. Yes, she's not suggesting / soliciting / provoking; she is just standing there. I agree. Yet she's no less sexual for that fact.

[*] edited comment for fixing my wrong use of the term

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by louwrentius »

ta1243 wrote: post #33

It's not hard 1) Get any porn site that is going to obey this to instead list themselves in some open way (TXT record in DNS, blockchain, some other form of list) 2) Get any provider in the UK to block access to those lists if the account owner wants it. That's ISPs and phone providers. I'd say it should be opt in, but opt out would be a reasonable compromise. That way I can be happy that my 12 year old won't acciden…

It's very hard. Teenagers will teach each other to circumvent any of this within seconds. It's as old as the internet.

But maybe it would be healthier if you discuss this topic with your 12-year-old. The reality is that they'll be able to find any kind of pr0n within seconds when they has access to an unfiltered computer or phone.

At age 12 it's also expected that you start the transition from a child to an adult, so trying to block the outside world isn't preparing them for the freedom they'll encounter at 18-21.

The idea that there is even a definition of 'healthy' porn seems ludicrous to me. That's not 'really' tackling the problem. That's not understanding the problem in the first place.

Speaking of which: there isn't a problem in the first place.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by amiga386 »

laurent_du wrote: post #50
macintux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question comes down to: is nudity inherently sexual? Not everyone feels it is.

Let's be real, everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual, except on HN and probably on reddit where men love to claim that it's not. I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else. It does sound weird and creepy to me - grown up men who claim that naked women are not arousing, the same men who rally en masse every time pornography censorship is discussed, to complain about freedom of e…

> everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual

I propose you watch 5 minutes of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Jungle with nude Keith Chegwin, and you will be disabused of that notion.

Your argument will be reduced to "everyone feels some kinds of nudity, preferably not featuring Keith Chegwin, are inherently sexual"

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