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Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Volvo hasn’t been a reliable brand since ~2000 when it was sold to Ford. Even less reliable when it was sold to Geely. They’ve essentially skated by on brand recognition earned decades ago.

FWIW I've had a 2006 S40 for the past 10 years and found it very reliable. But can't speak for their models since then

Had a 2006 or so XC90, everything was great. Now driving a 2016 XC90, had one issue with the engine cooling, was repaired in a day, 0 issues otherwise.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

#63

Volvo sadly no longer stands for Swedish quality and safety. What you’re buying is essentially an overpriced Chinese car with Volvo stickers. And I’m saying this as a Swede. Buy German cars, specifically within the Volkswagen auto group (Audi, VW, Skoda etc) if you want reliable quality.

Aren’t Japanese cars the gold standard of reliability? Or has something changed?

Not only that, they also have a fairly conservative approach to design that seems to keep a lot of the stupid bullshit out of their cars. I own multiple late model Japanese cars from different manufacturers and have had zero issues with them. The ADAS systems they do have, while arguably basic by 2025 standards, function flawlessly. All essential controls (including climate control) are physical.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

#64

Volvo sadly no longer stands for Swedish quality and safety. What you’re buying is essentially an overpriced Chinese car with Volvo stickers. And I’m saying this as a Swede. Buy German cars, specifically within the Volkswagen auto group (Audi, VW, Skoda etc) if you want reliable quality.

> .... if you want reliable quality. I'm saying this as a German, i strongly reject those accusations. Do not buy from VW group (and not from PSA/Stellantis (Citroen, Fiat, Opel etc brands), either).

What reliable is left?

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t Japanese cars the gold standard of reliability? Or has something changed?

To be honest, it has never been about pure brand. Every brand has had clunkers and has had great models. Having said that, Toyota is known for their reliability, and Volvo (+ Polestar) was / are known for their safety. Just to emphasize the point: Nissan is doomed because generally no one wants their cars, but they have perhaps one of the greatest bang-for-buck EVs outside of Chinese brands: the Leaf 2.

I have a 2022 model Leaf, the one with 230 miles range, and it's... boring in a good way. It just works. Zero problems whatsoever and zero noticeable battery degradation after about 27K miles. Only big downside is poor rapid charging, but we use ours as a city car and rarely if ever need it.

Put a CCS fast charge port and better battery cooling in this thing and it'd be the perfect boring reliable EV with physical dash controls (no touch screen BS).

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

#66

The open secret to EV ownership is to lease. This effectively mitigates depreciation and forces a dealership to own any problems (sooner rather than later).

The open secret to EV ownership is to buy after the lease. The depreciation is insane, why pay to rent the car for three years when you can buy it outright after the lease return for a fraction of the cost? EVs with active cooling systems last just about forever but people are still "oh no the battery".

(Still driving my 2012 EV - not a typo - and got a can't-miss off-lease CPO deal on a "new" 2022 this year.)

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t Japanese cars the gold standard of reliability? Or has something changed?

I don't know about the others, but Toyota has had some issues recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klyb2VrACZc&t=47s

New cars... but a 22 year old used Toyota, like mine, seems perfectly fine.

Sure, it'll kill me because of the comparative lack of safety, but that seems like a minor sacrifice in the face of needing to deal with a new car.

It also doesn't have pillars the thickness of an elephant's legs, like all new cars, significantly less compromising to visibility all around. It also lacks the now ubiquitous square and raised bonnet.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

#68
Had a new Kia for the past five years and there were no issues apart from a speaker replaced under warranty. I cannot trust PSA, Renault, Stellantis or any other brands anymore. (Takata airbags) As for those flagships from renowned brands, it feels like a trend. I ‘did’ trust Volvo but won’t anymore. The way it was handled is particularly poor.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

#69
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> .... if you want reliable quality. I'm saying this as a German, i strongly reject those accusations. Do not buy from VW group (and not from PSA/Stellantis (Citroen, Fiat, Opel etc brands), either).

What reliable is left?

Toyota

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

#70
post #21

Insane that Volvo doesn't just replace the car. The cost is trivial compared to the brand damage here. The complaint is so well documented and the customer is not being a jerk at all; not sure what Volvo's logic is.

They would need to replace all faulty cars after that. They want to avoid that.

They'll probably agree on a settlement where they don't admit any wrongdoing and give him a decent payout, but require him to take down the site and sign an NDA or something. So they don't necessarily need to replace all of them after that

If all he wants is a refund, that should do it. But if he's more interested in warning the world, hopefully he sticks to his guns and makes them give a straight up refund

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