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The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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Hey, it's the guy who has been predicting the imminent collapse of AI for three years now! As I understand, he's a former video game journalist and being anti-AI is now his full-time thing. Saying it's all useless, fake, evil, etc.

A poor man's Gary Marcus, basically.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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Completely agree. I would ask also what “infrastructure” the dotcom bubble created?

They’re referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fibre

I wouldn't call that wasted yet. It's just latent. Someone has to invent the startup that uses dark fibre maps to figure out exactly how far away one can build a house away from civilization and still have a 1000 MB/s connection.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. You can bet that even if the specific forms attempted in this interval don't take hold, they will eventually. You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power.

> If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. what about improved life quality? what about an explosion of types of jobs? > You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power. do you think the average citizen (or the collective) have MORE power or LESS power than 100 years ago, tha…

What about productivity gains going to the top 1%? What about income inequality? Capitalism is not labor friendly in the slightest.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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These sound very much in tone like the criticisms of Web 1.0 AI/LLMs are an infant technology, it’s at the beginning. It took many many years until people figured out how to use the internet for more than just copying corporate brochures into HTML. I put it to you that the truly valuable applications of AI/LLMs are yet to be invented and will be truly surprising when they come (which they must of course otherwise we’…

AI is not infant. LLMs? yes. But not AI as a whole. Conflating the two is part of the problem when deciding what is useful and profitable.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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> "good" bubble in the sense how can massively buying hardware that will have to be thrown away in a few years be a "good" bubble in the sense of being a lasting infrastructure investment?

I am pretty optimistic that as long as hardware capacity exists, people will find ways of using it. Whether it will be profitable or not is another story of course.

Rivers overflowing with legacy hardware and villages incinerating boards for their metals, and the caustic effects on people & their environment that causes, are already happening. The hardware capacity exists only as long as it is operational and within a few generations. Perhaps we should be careful before building Manhattan-sized data centers.

Up to a point it is better than having additional compute sitting idle at the edge, economies of scale and all that, but after some point it becomes excess and wasteful, even if people figure out ways to entertain themselves with it.

And if people don't want to pay what it costs to improve and maintain these city-sized electronic brains? Then it all becomes waste, or the majority transformed into office or warehouse space or something else.

Proceeding with combined 1% (US GDP)-sized budgets despite this risk being an elephant in the room is what makes it a bubble.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. You can bet that even if the specific forms attempted in this interval don't take hold, they will eventually. You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power.

> If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. what about improved life quality? what about an explosion of types of jobs? > You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power. do you think the average citizen (or the collective) have MORE power or LESS power than 100 years ago, tha…

I never said anything about life quality, only that automation is an inevitability.

What I said vs what you imagined I said are two different things.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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These sound very much in tone like the criticisms of Web 1.0 AI/LLMs are an infant technology, it’s at the beginning. It took many many years until people figured out how to use the internet for more than just copying corporate brochures into HTML. I put it to you that the truly valuable applications of AI/LLMs are yet to be invented and will be truly surprising when they come (which they must of course otherwise we’…

> It took many many years until people figured out how to use the internet for more than just copying corporate brochures into HTML.

It was immediately clear for many people how it could be used to express themselves. It took a lot of years to figure out how to kill most of those parts and turn the remainder into a corporate hellscape thats barely more than corporate brochures.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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I believe this is a "good" bubble in the sense that the 19th century railroad bubble and original dot com bubble both ended up invested in infrastructure that created immense value. That said, all of these LLMs are interchangeable, there are no moats, and the profit will almost entirely be in the "last mile," in local subject matter experts applying this technology to their bespoke business processes.

> "good" bubble in the sense how can massively buying hardware that will have to be thrown away in a few years be a "good" bubble in the sense of being a lasting infrastructure investment?

The prices are falling down. I do a lot of Machine Learning and sometimes work with large datasets. The ability to (1) put all data in VRAM and (2) have the results in hours/days instead of weeks is amazing - and in the past it wouldn't be easy for a normal researcher like me. Now I can have access to these beefy machines, do my research and publish the results without taking a loan from my bank.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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Lots of in-depth analysis, but I think the author is very clearly emotionally invested to the point that they are only drawing conclusions that justify and support their emotions. I agree that we’re in a bubble in the sense that a lot of these companies will go bankrupt, but it won’t be Google or Anthropic (unless Google makes a model that’s an order of magnitude better or order of magnitude cheaper with capability parity). Claude is simply too good at coding in well-represented languages like Python and Typescript to not pay hundreds of dollars a month for (if not thousands, subsidized by employers). These companies are racing to have the most effective agents and models right now. Once the bottleneck is clearly humans’ ability the specify the requirements and context, reducing the cost of the models will be the main competitive edge, and we’re not there yet (although even now the better you are at providing requirements and context, the more effective you are with the models). I think that once cost reduction is the target, Google will win because they have the hardware capabilities to do so.

Re: The Hater's Guide to the AI Bubble

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Surveillance? They have an exceptionally valuable product if they package it right.

> Surveillance? They have an exceptionally valuable product if they package it right. So valuable that it will be next main source of growth (what was claimed) for Amazon, Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Nvidia, Meta, and Tesla? The US military budget is less than $1 trillion per annum. these companies had a combined revenue of $2 trillion. For military contracts to be THE new source of growth, the military budget would…

> For military contracts to be THE new source of growth, the military budget would have to be how much larger?

To be fair, it wasn't suggested that the growth would be equivalent to or surpassing of past growth, just growth of some kind. The budget doesn't necessarily have to become any larger, they just need a piece of the pie.

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