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Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by gsf_emergency_2 » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 12:24 AM UTC

vouaobrasil wrote: post #59

PaulHoule wrote: post #53

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I find the "vibe coding" idea offensive because I've often been on projects where somebody junior thought he did 80% of the work and then I have to do the other 80% of the work and it's been a very expensive and extensive project of figuring out all the little things and sometimes all of the big things they did wrong. I really like working with the AI Assistant in IntelliJ IDEA in that it's like pair programming with…

> There are the people who don't have any idea of what creativity is which leads to ideas like: "LLMs (by definition) can't be creative It's not that LLMs can't be creative. It's that we shouldn't allow them to because creativity is more than just about output. It's about human expression. End of story.

We can allow LLMs if .. insurers pay out to institutional bag holders who employ folks like PaulHoule

(With premium deposited by OpenAI to the tune of billiards. I'll happily take their internal slacklogs (schlogs?) as payment, dunno bout u)

Beneficial, revolutionary, viral. Choose 2.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by 000ooo000 » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 2:38 AM UTC

andybak wrote: post #36

vouaobrasil wrote: post #33

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It is because it is a direct attack against human creativity. It separates people into two very disparate classes: those who want to use and develop it to become more efficient and rich, and those who hate it with a passion because for them, it takes away the beauty of humanity at the forefront of creativity. Unlike blockchain, the philosophy and morality of these two classes, one represented by efficiency and one re…

OK - so I deeply value human creativity and I disagree with your first statement. At least I think we don't currently know whether it will work out this way. My hunch is that human creativity is incredibly resilient and will route around damage. (But employability in creative professions? That's a slightly different topic - an orthogonal one strictly speaking)

Good luck finding much of that creativity you value so much when those creative types are preoccupied with meeting their basic needs.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by queenkjuul » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 7:16 AM UTC

tines wrote: post #48

happytoexplain wrote: post #26

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To oversimplify: Because it's real .

More like, because it's pleasurable enough that people will accept it as a substitute for the real. Delusional people are marrying their AIs, for example.

Based on my experience with Claude Code so far, my coworkers mostly use it because they think it's fun, or cool, not because it writes great code or saves tons of time, because i can attest it isn't doing those.

I'm not saying it isn't useful, I'm just also seeing lots of crappy output that gets totally rewritten, and useless docs people keep creating for some reason, that is eating all the time they supposedly saved by relying on it in the first place.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by kelnos » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 8:09 AM UTC

I agree, I'm tired of it too. I resisted for a while, not seeing the value. I'll use ChatGPT or Claude for non-programming things sometimes.

Finally a few trusted friends convinced me to give it a go. I installed Claude Code and paid for the Pro plan. It's... interesting? I haven't given it too many tasks yet, and I'm still learning how to get the most out of it, so I can't pass judgment yet. One thing I've noticed is that, for everything I've given it so far, it takes much longer to do it than if I'd do it myself. But maybe that's ok.

> What does my job look like? It looks like prompting an agent to do a thing, then skipping over to another agent to review its answer to a different problem. Jumping between different attempts by agents to do what I asked all day, juggling a dozen or more projects so I don’t waste any time. Reviewing code for something that can’t learn from the time I invested, catching the same mistakes over and over.

Yeah that sounds awful. That's not something that I'd enjoy. The act of writing code to build something that solves a problem is what brings me joy. It's why I've been hooked since my dad gave me a book on BASIC when I was 8 years old.

If this is what the "software developer" job becomes, then I'm fine not being able to get a job in that field anymore. That's not a job I'd want.

Re: I'm tired of talking about AI

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Post by vouaobrasil » Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 10:18 PM UTC

happytoexplain wrote: post #47

vouaobrasil wrote: post #44

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Absolutely right, which will make it harder to make a living from creativity. A lot of people do, such as graphic designers, who will have to turn to other jobs to keep eating. And that is discouraging, even if they can do art in their spare time.

Agreed - with one caveat: "Discouraging" is an understatement, to put it lightly. I think the top 25th percentile of people in software tend to underestimate how difficult it is to switch careers for the vast majority of all people, and what the consequences of that are.

Agreed on that. Discouraging is indeed an understatement :(