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The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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I have no idea what agents are for, could be my own ignorance. That said, I have been using LLMs for a while now with great benefit. I did not notice anything missing, and I am not sure what agents bring to the table. Do you know?

An agent is an LLM + a tool call loop - it is quite a step up in terms of value in my experience

What is the use case? What does it solve exactly, or what practical value does it give you? I am not sure what a tool call loop is.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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This is obviously AI generated, if that matters. And I have an AI workflow that generates much better posts than this.

The thing that sucks about it is maybe his english is bad (not his native language) so he relies on LLM output for his posts. Im inclined to cut people slack for this. But the rub is that it is indistinguishable from spam/slop generated for marketing/ads/whatever. Or it's possible that he is one of those people that _realy_ adopted LLMs into _all_ their workflow, I guess, and he thinks the output is good enough as is…

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Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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post #58

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An agent is an LLM + a tool call loop - it is quite a step up in terms of value in my experience

What is the use case? What does it solve exactly, or what practical value does it give you? I am not sure what a tool call loop is.

> I am not sure what a tool call loop is.

See https://ampcode.com/how-to-build-an-agent

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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post #58

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I have no idea what agents are for, could be my own ignorance. That said, I have been using LLMs for a while now with great benefit. I did not notice anything missing, and I am not sure what agents bring to the table. Do you know?

An agent is an LLM + a tool call loop - it is quite a step up in terms of value in my experience

Not a disagreement with you but wanted to further clarify.

I do think it’s a step up when done correctly. Thinking of tools like Cursor. Most of my concern and issue comes from the amount of folks I have seen trying to great a system that solves everything. I know in my org people were working on Agents without even a problem they were solving for. They are effectively trying to recreate ChatGPT which to me is a fools errand.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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post #58

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An agent is an LLM + a tool call loop - it is quite a step up in terms of value in my experience

What is the use case? What does it solve exactly, or what practical value does it give you? I am not sure what a tool call loop is.

The tools can be an editor/terminal/dev environment, automatically iterating to testing the changes and refining until a finished product, without a human developer, at least that is what some wish of it.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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No, it is not "mathematically impossible". It is empirically implausible. There is no statement in mathematics that says that agents can not have a 99.999% reliability rate. Also, if you look at any human process you will realize that none of them have a 100% reliability rate. Yet, even without that we can manufacture e.g. a plane, something which takes millions of steps, each without a 100% success rate. I actually…

This is a good point, but it seems, empirically, that most parts of a standard passenger airplane have reliability approximating 100% in a predefined time window with proper inspection and maintenance, otherwise passenger transit would be impossible. When the system does start to degrade, e.g. because replacement parts and maintenance becomes unavailable or too costly (cf. the use of imported planes by Russian airlin…

It's about what you do with errors. If you let them compound they lead to destruction, if instead you inspect, maintain, reinspect, replace, etc. you can manage them.

My point was that something extremely complex, like a plane, works, because the system tries hard to prevent compounding errors.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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An agent is an LLM + a tool call loop - it is quite a step up in terms of value in my experience

What is the use case? What does it solve exactly, or what practical value does it give you? I am not sure what a tool call loop is.

Cursor is my classic example. I don’t know exactly what tools are defined in their loop but you give the agent some code to write. It may search your code base, it may then search online for third party library docs. Then come back and write some code etc.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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The alternative is building Functional Intelligence process flows from the ground up on a foundation of established truth?

If 50% of training data is not factually accurate, this needs to be weeded out.

Some industries require a first principles approach, and there are optimal process flows that lead to accurate and predictable results. These need research and implementation by man and machine.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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Don't tell management about this, as they're all betting the house on AI agents next year.

Only one of these outcomes will be correct, so worth putting money on it if you think they're wrong a la The Big Short.

shorting only works if people realise it when you do. c-suite will run out of make up before admitting its a pig because the pay off is huge for them. I reckon agentic dev can function "just enough" to allow them to delay the reality for a bit while they fire more of their engineering team.

I don't think this one is worth shorting because there's no specific event to trigger the mindshare to start moving and validating your position. You'd have to wait for very big public failures before the herd start to move.

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