I agree with all of it. I abandoned Matrix about a year ago and never looked back. Something's very smelly about their history, broken promises and overall quality.
Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
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Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#62I want to like matrix, but I had to give up my homeserver. For reasons that are unclear to me I was added to the matrix.org homeserver blacklist, with no communication on why or response to my asking why.
Eventually I noticed some issue with the database, it having grown many hundreds of GB (something about my users being stuck in matrix.org rooms that they're blacklisted from, I guess) so I rm -rf'd it and that's that. :\
Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#63We had a variation on this discussion a few days ago here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44591820 I discussed that their primary server had a child porn/child sex assault imagery problem. Others who had similar concerns were completely dismissed and attacked by the Element/Matrix admins. I have to agree with this article. Matrix is basically dead, and not worth keeping around. And it starves the open source eco…
youtube has this problem, discord has this problem and many other platforms
what do those platforms do to combat child stuff? i don't like to dismiss anything but it is something all platforms and even multi billion dollar ones struggle with
eu tries to decrypt e2e chats while you can see this stuff everywhere without encryption and nothing is being done to combat this on these major platforms
as discord and whatsapp are getting shittier, i still keep it around for talking with friends, having my own server is not that hard and there are zero issues compared to main matrix.org server, just couple dollars for vle2 on ovh is sufficient
Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#64I said most of the same things in the Matrix foundation's server. The general response from the team was: "Pay money or shut up and accept what we give you". The number of gigantic changes in direction this project has had in the past couple of years is enough to sink any project. Jitsi to Webrtc, complete change in auth system, Element to Element X. There's two clients. One that's fast, and one that's full featured.…
Have you tried Delta Chat? I like the concept, but I can't convince anyone to sign up to test it out :(
The best chat system for geeks is zulip. Messages threaded, everything markdown. very efficient use of screen estate.
For less geeky use I indeed have had Delta on my list for years. Haven't really tried yet myself, not to speak about convincing.
Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#65I find Signal just unbeatable on all fronts: security, UX, ease of use, general thoughtfulness put into the product. It has the best simple media editor (for video clipping, blurring faces, compressing) I have ever seen casually built into the sending flow. Every time I use anything, from MS Teams to Whatsapp, I find myself wishing they were more like Signal.
tested signal years ago and the desktop client was literally unusable, would take major redesign to fix so i am assuming it is not better
Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#66I'm of the same stance. I've been using Matrix for 3 years now, primarily to communicate with family located where there is high censorship and most messengers are blocked. Probably due to the complexity of the system and inherent design, performance is horrible. Good enough for usage but just unpleasant. Their new Element X client is meant to solve a lot of problems but they're starting to deviate from common standa…
It’s depressing to hear that you’ve given up on Element X, given that’s where all the work has been going, including ensuring the encryption is rock solid. Element Call is still webrtc; the fact it’s direct calling to a SFU rather than needing TURN for firewall traversal should be a good thing. How did you try to set it up? I did a basic walk through at https://github.com/element-hq/element-docker-demo in case that h…
It's depressing to see and hear that New Vector is rewriting the flagship client about every 5 years or so, with each rewrite taking multiple years. Each time the new client is hailed as the saviour, and then after a while, denounced as obsolete. Soon again, the new saviour is right around the corner.
That is not the way you create high-quality software in a cost-efficient manner.
While Matrix has a value as the pretty much only open-standard IM system with even moderate levels of user adoption, all this makes it hard to actually love it or even to be enthustiastic about it.
Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#67The issue of broken rooms was reportedly the database having gotten corrupted indexes, which affected a bunch of rooms (2/55 of ones I was in): https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/issues/18606#issuecomm... . Not much a protocol/implementation can do about that. It did take over 2 weeks for it to be resolved though, which is a rather long period of time. Also on the status page - https://status.matrix.org/incidents/…
The corrupt room bug which pushed the OP over the edge was due to a corrupted DB index on matrix.org which caused millions of rows to be incorrectly deleted and was an absolute nightmare to debug and mitigate. You can see some of the story at https://marc.info/?t=175161814600006&r=1&w=2 . We need to write up the incident report; it’s not clear whether the root cause was a bug in postgres (potentially years ago, and o…
Thanks for the link to the postgres discussion! An incident report would definitely be interesting.
I haven't reported the missing messages thing anywhere as I assumed that was just expected (IIRC (and this is a big IIRC) it was mentioned a long time ago (i.e. entirely unrelated to this) by TravisR on Discord bridge problems as a possible cause for missing messages).
Here is one event in an affected room, made by a t2bot.io account on July 6, to which t2bot.io accounts can reply to, but which gets an "Event not found." error when requested by me, @dzaima:matrix.org: (and for reference t2bot.io functioned properly on other rooms during that time, so overall t2bot.io↔matrix.org federation should've been fine; and for reference there's a third homeserver that federated with t2bot.io fine in that room just fine too; and to be clear the room works fine now)
https://matrix.org/_matrix/client/v3/rooms/!WpdazzauuDxyGNAiCr:matrix.org/context/$BM9s8e3vUhk_iHfdg7D_s7CsQ5COFSPdlJdygz7TKvURe: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#68I said most of the same things in the Matrix foundation's server. The general response from the team was: "Pay money or shut up and accept what we give you". The number of gigantic changes in direction this project has had in the past couple of years is enough to sink any project. Jitsi to Webrtc, complete change in auth system, Element to Element X. There's two clients. One that's fast, and one that's full featured.…
> It's tough finding an open-standards based IM application for corporate use. I didn't try it, but this seems interesting: https://github.com/jesse-greathouse/eIRC "eIRC is a modern, scalable enterprise messaging architecture built on the IRC protocol. Designed for organizations that require ephemeral, real-time communication without the heavy operational overhead of pub/sub systems like Apache Kafka, eIRC delivers…
That's too far in the other direction, IMO. The IRC protocol was a poorly designed mess. Tying yourself to it means inheriting all of its bizarre quirks and limitations, and there's very little that existing IRC servers do that would be difficult to replicate.
(For a taste of just how weird and terrible IRC can be, try to answer the question "what is the maximum length of an IRC message". If your answer is a specific number, it is incorrect.)
Re: Giving Up on Element and Matrix.org
#69"Pull requests welcome" is all I can say to anyone who puts energy into long rants about the "state" of a FOSS project.
If you think volunteer dev is so easy then get stuck in and be the change you want to see.
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From https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/faq/ : > According to Google reCAPTCHA, Hcaptcha and Cloudflare Turnstile, I’m a robot. Although I haven’t seen an engraved plate with the label T-800 on myself yet, these days I might as well just be a rogue LLM. Does it even matter anymore? :)
to be clear, they can be content with it themselves -- i'm self-filtering and think it's important to do so visibly and attributively c: