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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by KennyBlanken »

linkjuice4all wrote: post #17
hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

I agree - but technology is just a tool here. The Stasi famously had a network of human informants to notice and collect information. Going forward it would be nice if we stopped letting these mobs grab power but it's too late, so maybe the effort should be focused on using tools like this to our advantage. Surely there must be some value to the populous to track their oppressors and those that control them - have yo…

The Stasi network was infamous because of how enormous it was, not its mere existence. And it likely had a crippling effect on their economy. They were also drowning in information, and the information was very poor because anyone with a bone to pick just made up some bullshit about the other person.

Today, tools created by US intelligence make the data collection trivial, but more importantly, the data analysis is trivial as well.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by refurb »

cyral wrote: post #22
hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

> If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need to hand over your passport: they just scan your face now. It's always amazed me how well this works when they are scanning you with the same 2015-era cheap logitech camera I have.

US requires all passenger manifests for flights are forwarded to USCBP 48 hours or more before the flight. This list is run against several databases to identify persons of interest.

Then after the flight takes off, an updated list is sent again to USCBP.

So when you walk up to USCBP, they already have a list of people they expect to see within an hour of the flight landing. The match is much easier at that point.

It all falls apart at land or sea border crossings. Requirements are quite different and travel outside continental US but with zone like the Caribbean are treated differently than travel outside that zone.

As such your immigration record can get messed up if you say exit via land border to Canada as there is no exit record to match up with entry. Many people have gotten email about overstays because of this.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by burkaman »

ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #41
burkaman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the future, these tools and policies are already used against everyone right now. Plenty of Trump supporters have already been arrested and/or deported by ICE.

I assume you are talking about Hispanic Trump supporters because ICE definitely hasn't deported your middle of America white Trump supporter.

I was actually thinking about this guy when I wrote that comment: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nh-green-card-holder-de...

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by bananalychee »

ta8645 wrote: post #54
epakai wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A lot of the anti-vax people felt like Covid was a made up and didn't warrant being called an emergency. Not saying they were right, but the point is, once you decide something is an emergency, all of a sudden, you're willing to put up with a lot of government intrusion, for the "good of society". That's the same thing the Trumper's _think_ they're doing, too. It doesn't feel made up to them.

You are trying to walk between the lines and perhaps that's an attempt to avoid being flagged, but it is disingenuous to insinuate that the only objection to the pandemic population control exercise was that it was "fake". There were many lies spun over the course of the pandemic and in most cases it was obvious that they were lies within weeks or months of the outbreak. Despite that people were happy to collaborate with the overreach by snitching on their family members, "friends", and neighbors for touching too much grass, when in fact virtually no healthy individual under the age of 40 was risking much by living normally, and especially not the children abused by the extended freakout. Had cooler heads prevailed perhaps we could have ended the madness after a year, but it had to drag on for two more, and the resulting "stimulus" overspending that dragged on for far too long subsequently aggravated the wave of inflation and cost of living crisis that we're in today. Regardless of our feelings towards illegal immigration enforcement today it is completely insane how whitewashed this event was in comparison, but I suppose that's how it is when the authoritarians are on "your" (general you) side.

And in response to the parent comment: "made up characterization of the situation", you bet. If only the concerned citizens had a consistent moral framework, I could sympathize.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by dmix »

snypher wrote: post #47
bcrosby95 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in. I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.

Imagine if we had more than two choices. I have no idea how to make that happen, but it seems like it needs to.

We have three choices in Canada and it's basically the same thing. They pretended we were going to get more options last time but it turned out to be politically untenable for the powers at be.

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Post by josephcsible »

sgentle wrote: post #53
mbostleman wrote: post #39

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> sweeping away due process for mass deportation…> This is pretty off topic obviously but I see this due process claim a lot and I am assuming I’m missing some kind of fundamental legal concepts. And that wouldn’t be surprising because I have no legal background. If a person is not a citizen, and they’ve overstayed whatever limit there is to staying while not being a citizen, and if the action taken is to remove the…

I think there are 3 fundamental misapprehensions that someone who thinks in abstract systems (like software) tends to make when considering about a human system (like the law). 1. The system doesn't make mistakes 2. The system represents the underlying reality 3. The system can be implemented Let's see how that plays out here: 1. You're a US citizen. While returning from an overseas trip, a border agent thinks it's a…

> on paper, the moment you were terminated you lost your legal status

That's not true. There's a 60 day grace period after your employment ends during which you still have your legal status: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-8/chapter-I/subchapter-B/...

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by [deleted] »

snypher wrote: post #47
bcrosby95 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in. I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.

Imagine if we had more than two choices. I have no idea how to make that happen, but it seems like it needs to.

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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by xboxnolifes »

dmix wrote: post #29
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

The news of Palantir database was pretty unpopular among the twitter right from what I've seen. If it came to a public vote I doubt "government builds giant surveillance system" would get wide support from anyone even if it was spun as anti-immigrant. This is just something the type of people who end up in government try every year despite the fact few people want it.

Anti-immigrant? Maybe not. Anti-crime? I'm not so sure.

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Post by ajross »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

Hm. No, I think the practice of using a capability for a bad goal is inherently worse than merely having a capability that can be used for a bad goal. (The whole principle behind the second amendment, after all!)

And we should condemn the overreach on its own terms and by its own moral failings and not just wave it away with a both-sides-ist "They're merely using it how they want".

Bad things are bad and we should say they are bad. Because at the end of the day every government is possessed of terrible power and the only reason any of them don't get worse is that we vote for the people who aren't bad.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by aikinai »

ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #43
mikece wrote: post #9

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No... he'll do that if/when his acolyte steps up from VPOTUS to POTUS.

I keep trying to tell people that the US is over when JD Vance becomes POTUS next year because they will attempt to get him behind the desk before the election.

Why would they do that? And why would it be the end of the US?
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