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Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #40
98codes wrote: post #35

Interesting to see SQL Server not listed here, am curious whether it didn't have enough signal, or suffered from being a two-word product, with "SQL" being far too generic on its own.

It is also less mentioned on the site in general, owing to it being a proprietary Microsoft product in an audience of people who primarily go for Free / Open Source non-Microsoft products. There are some people here who are interested in corporate Europe or , but most are aligned with Silicon Valley hackers.

Someone else mentioned it already, but what is there to talk about with SQL Server (and Oracle)? Like I'm sure there's plenty someone could write about but generally it's pay Microsoft so it's their problem.

Whereas something like Postgres has a plethora of forks and tools built around it, because it's open source devs can actually do interesting things to solve their problems.

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Post by redwood »

kwillets wrote: post #20

Snowflake seems to have peaked; 2023 was hellish dealing with roomfuls of inexperienced devs and even architects convinced it was the fastest cheapest thing ever.

Well as pointed out above since Oracle and SQL Server don't even show up.. this simply does not reflect enterprise and Snowflake and Eatabricks both lean Enterprise

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Post by redwood »

jiggawatts wrote: post #54
98codes wrote: post #35

Interesting to see SQL Server not listed here, am curious whether it didn't have enough signal, or suffered from being a two-word product, with "SQL" being far too generic on its own.

I’ve also don’t remember SAP HANA, Oracle, or DB2 mentioned even once here but believe me, along with MSSQL these occupy most of the top ten database deployments world wide. Something that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently is that all of the proprietary vendors are quietly strangling their flagship products. Free and open source database engines were always “nipping at their heels” but weren’t a serious threat…

When you're addicted to bad revenue is very hard to compress it

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Post by [deleted] »

jiggawatts wrote: post #54
98codes wrote: post #35

Interesting to see SQL Server not listed here, am curious whether it didn't have enough signal, or suffered from being a two-word product, with "SQL" being far too generic on its own.

I’ve also don’t remember SAP HANA, Oracle, or DB2 mentioned even once here but believe me, along with MSSQL these occupy most of the top ten database deployments world wide. Something that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently is that all of the proprietary vendors are quietly strangling their flagship products. Free and open source database engines were always “nipping at their heels” but weren’t a serious threat…

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Post by jiggawatts »

redwood wrote: post #63
jiggawatts wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve also don’t remember SAP HANA, Oracle, or DB2 mentioned even once here but believe me, along with MSSQL these occupy most of the top ten database deployments world wide. Something that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently is that all of the proprietary vendors are quietly strangling their flagship products. Free and open source database engines were always “nipping at their heels” but weren’t a serious threat…

When you're addicted to bad revenue is very hard to compress it

It's a repeating problem across many industries.

Proprietary compilers and developer tooling were similarly strangled, and have been completely replaced by free/open tools in all but a few niche areas such as embedded, hard realtime, and circuit design.

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Post by hinterlands »

morkalork wrote: post #60
thewebguyd wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle isn't in there either, which goes to show how much of a bubble HN actually is considering MSSQL and Oracle are #1 and #2 in market share.

I used MS SQL and Oracle at my last job, but what's there to say about them? They've been around forever, are stable and get all the same table-stakes feature updates as everyone else. Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive, you won't be running either on your phone or an embedded device like SQLite either.

I do think it's an SFBA / generational bubble. We have plenty of boring, expensive software projects that someone will always bring up in a HN thread. For example, every time there's a thread on PCB design, you have some folks talking about Cadence. What's there to say about Cadence? Well, first and foremost, it costs a lot. Otherwise, it lets you design PCBs. But there are people here who pay for it, use it, and want to talk about it.

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Post by cheesekunator »

fullstackchris wrote: post #56
codeulike wrote: post #55

MS Sql Server not even mentioned. This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN: "Enterprise"

There is a reason it is not even mentioned

And what's that reason .... ?

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by xyzzy123 »

hinterlands wrote: post #66
morkalork wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used MS SQL and Oracle at my last job, but what's there to say about them? They've been around forever, are stable and get all the same table-stakes feature updates as everyone else. Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive, you won't be running either on your phone or an embedded device like SQLite either.

I do think it's an SFBA / generational bubble. We have plenty of boring, expensive software projects that someone will always bring up in a HN thread. For example, every time there's a thread on PCB design, you have some folks talking about Cadence. What's there to say about Cadence? Well, first and foremost, it costs a lot. Otherwise, it lets you design PCBs. But there are people here who pay for it, use it, and wan…

Right but having access to a Cadence license is considered "elite" (it means you are a Real Engineer), while having to use mssql server means you're kind of a schlub (who probably has to work for a real business, that makes money but is super boring, with no equity, among people who don't understand any of this status hierarchy at all).

Re: Analyzing database trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines

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Post by jeffbee »

Is it weird or just me that bigquery is mentioned, but bigtable and spanner are not? The article presents a grab-bag of database concepts that do not seem related. BigQuery and PostgreSQL are just fundamentally different things.

It all makes me wonder what is the biggest "dark" database, the one nobody on HN wants to talk about, but it's out there serving the most transactions.

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