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Tesla's Global Vehicle Deliveries Plunged in Second Quarter

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Re: Tesla's Global Vehicle Deliveries Plunged in Second Quarter

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It's worse than that. Two years of declining sales at Tesla.[1] Mostly for ordinary car manufacturer reasons. Tesla hasn't had a new model in years other than the Cybertruck, which was a dud. Prices are still too high. Electric cars still cost more than gas cars in the US. This seems to be a US-only problem. Electric cars are doing fine in the rest of the world. A majority of new cars in China are electric. Here's th…

To add to this, Tesla has had barely any battery progress on range and charge rate since 2018. Here’s Model Y’s charging curve - https://evkx.net/models/tesla/model_y/model_y_long_range/cha... at 30% you’re below 150 kw Meanwhile here’s a competitor - Kia EV6 https://evkx.net/models/kia/ev6/ev6_long_range_awd/chargingc... keeping above 150 kw at around 70% You got the Audi Q6 with more range, more comfort - massaging…

> To add to this, Tesla has had barely any battery progress on range and charge rate since 2018.

A real concern is that no US battery manufacturer is working on manufacturing solid state batteries at scale. There are a few small US startups, but companies in China, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are spending many billions of dollars on this. Prologium now claims to have shipped 2.4 million units (cells, probably) from their first manufacturing facility. That's not a huge number of cells, but a year ago there were just lab samples. Mercedes is testing these and has some cars driving around with them. About 2x the energy density of lithium-ion batteries, reportedly. Safer, and 5 minute charging if you can find a powerful enough charger.

Tesla isn't even rumored to be doing anything in this space.

(While there's a lot of talk about Mercedes' 670 miles on a charge, what's probably going to sell are cars that have maybe 300 miles of range, are cheaper and weigh less. With 5 minute charging, there's less reason to lug a huge battery around.)

[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/prologium-next-generation-lit...

Re: Tesla's Global Vehicle Deliveries Plunged in Second Quarter

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To add to this, Tesla has had barely any battery progress on range and charge rate since 2018. Here’s Model Y’s charging curve - https://evkx.net/models/tesla/model_y/model_y_long_range/cha... at 30% you’re below 150 kw Meanwhile here’s a competitor - Kia EV6 https://evkx.net/models/kia/ev6/ev6_long_range_awd/chargingc... keeping above 150 kw at around 70% You got the Audi Q6 with more range, more comfort - massaging…

> since 2018 2018 is the first year Musk’s drug abuse is documented to [1]. [1] https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e...

It has been downhill since then, hasn't it.

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As far as I can tell, people are expecting a pivot into AI/robotics being major revenue drivers.

Musk keeps saying that.[1] Tesla is not doing all that well with self-driving cars. They're behind Waymo, Zoox, and Baidu in Level 4 systems. (Level 4: good enough for a taxi service). All the major manufacturers have a Level 2 system now. A few have a Level 3 system where the driver can sit back and watch, but has to be ready to take over, which is where Tesla is now. There are at least 18 humanoid robots far enough…

FSD take up is less than 10%. Dropping subscription price will generate tons of revenue, esp once other markets open up.

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I'm ready to buy a second one, to replace an older vehicle, but I will get a used one this time.

Have you considered alternate brands? My wife's Hyundai Ioniq 5 is pretty nice.

Has ICCU blown yet? Hyundai just can't be trusted with any cars, EVs included.

Kona? Reductor gear blows up at 100k km, right as warranty expires.

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Have you considered alternate brands? My wife's Hyundai Ioniq 5 is pretty nice.

Ioniq 6 is also very nice, better build quality than the model 3 Many Hyundai are already on the 800V architecture and charge faster

Better build quality at expense of like 10 features.

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I'm ready to buy a second one, to replace an older vehicle, but I will get a used one this time.

I own a model 3 but would be hesitant to buy another Tesla given there’s a genuine risk the company won’t be around in a few years.

This reminds me of a case study task I had to do almost 20 years ago in university (business degree). It was about AWS. I've convinced my team to recommend shutting it down since it wasn't core competency. Tutor nearly laughed us out of the room for suggesting shutting down $1b business.

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If you think this is obvious I worry you're deep into conspiracies. I would respond more in depth but I'm not sure what conspiracies you're personally devoted to

> conspiracies You keep repeating that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. But by all means, entertain me. What "conspiracies" do people "devote" themselves against Elon?

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> conspiracies You keep repeating that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. But by all means, entertain me. What "conspiracies" do people "devote" themselves against Elon?

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Weird, I didn't know the media could fabricate things Elon does on the website he owns, is the cybersecurity at X that bad they can freely impersonate him?

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> conspiracies You keep repeating that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. But by all means, entertain me. What "conspiracies" do people "devote" themselves against Elon?

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I can't speak much about his drug use, but not really the reason I dislike him.

While I don't care much about his political affiliations (not really the reason I already thought he was a shit person), there are some facts about that:

1 - He did a nazi salute on camera. You may argue that he was joking or being edgy, but you can't deny facts.

2 - He actually tried to influence German elections in favor of AfD, which is a far-right parties with some damning neo-nazi connections.

3 - He constantly replicates extreme far right ideas on his social media platform.

Does this mean Elon is a Nazi? Perhaps not, but he has very little problems in associating himself with those that espouse tenets of that ideology.

I think he is just a retarded buffoon that happens to be extremely rich. I always rolled my eyes back when the mainstream media treated him as some kind of visionary genius, and now that it stopped he chases some crowd that still listens what he has to say.

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Have you considered alternate brands? My wife's Hyundai Ioniq 5 is pretty nice.

Has ICCU blown yet? Hyundai just can't be trusted with any cars, EVs included. Kona? Reductor gear blows up at 100k km, right as warranty expires.

Get lost, Elon.
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