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Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by socketcluster »

Could this be the feature which finally unlocks the potential of my low-code Backend as a Service? https://saasufy.com/

Looking for people to try it out. You just need to create an account on saasufy.com (with GitHub) then paste (or attach) the README.md file from our GitHub https://github.com/Saasufy/saasufy-components/blob/main/READ... inside Claude, telling it what your Saasufy service URL is (shown on saasufy.com dashboard after deployment) then deploy directly from Claude.

This is a good approach. Developers can interact with Claude directly while BaaS platforms like Saasufy can host the backend and data in a secure way. This is ideal because the frontend can tolerate some hallucinations/brittleness, but the backend cannot. This approach could finally support production-ready apps, not just prototypes.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by socketcluster »

alach11 wrote: post #57

This is starting to encroach on Lovable, right? I do suspect the effect of these "vibe coded" apps on the SaaS market will be smaller than expected. Heavier-featured apps will have all sorts of functionality and polish a user won't even think to ask Claude to build. And the amount of effort to describe everything you need an app to do is higher than it seems. Instead, I think this is going to open a new paradigm with…

Yes and it may open the door for new platforms with pure backend (BaaS) focus. With AI hallucinations, letting AI write backend code is not feasible due to security implications. Access controls still require a control panel which can be easily audited.

The frontend, however, is a completely different story.

It reminds me of a saying from one of my ex-colleagues "Frontend development is like building a house of cards. If it falls, nobody gets hurt. On the other hand, backend development is like building a house out of wine glasses."

AI and frontends are a natural fit, there is way more tolerance for brittleness 'move fast break things' on the frontend as the consequences of bugs are far less severe.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by dcl »

gavmor wrote: post #45
jonplackett wrote: post #23

I used to love to make silly websites or apps with new technologies. Been doing it since flash. I have a pretty decent hit rate! It’s not unusually to get half a million or so people try one of them. But with AI that model is just totally broken because the running cost is so high. If I have half a million people come play my silly AI game that I have no wish to monetise - I am gonna be POOR very fast. Log in with [i…

"Log in With Google" to use Drive storage has long been a thing. Maybe proxying Gemini usage isn't too far off.

"Bring your own AI" or "Provide your AI API access key" will probably be coming to a lot of services/apps that we want 'our' AI's to interact with.

I can see this also bringing strongly tiered AI's, there will be commodity/free AI's a and expensive ones for rich people/power users.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by alvah »

headcanon wrote: post #17
isoprophlex wrote: post #10

Is this the end of - or at least a significant challenge to - SaaS? Why buy into saas tooling if you can just slap something together - that you fully own - with something like this?

Challenge, yes, but I wouldn't go far to say "end of". B2C SaaS will have more challenge the easier it gets to create things, but consumers have always been fickle anyway. I'd say B2B SaaS is mostly safe, partially because they want the support and don't want to have to maintain it. Today we have open-source versions of a lot of SaaS products, but the proprietary ones are still in business, mostly for that reason IME…

I think B2 (small) B SaaS is also in trouble pretty much now. Enterprise is a different thing though, the barriers to entry are not just building and maintaining the software.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by ameliaquining »

mbm wrote: post #46
jonplackett wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I wonder how that actually works - because I would guess people are logging in with their consumer login not an api login, so they’re not really even in the mindset of limits and cost per token.

Precisely. You click on a claude link, and suddenly it's, "You are now financially responsible for your actions from here on..." I'm sure they've spent a lot of time thinking through the ui/ux of this.

Users of Claude-hosted apps can't thereby incur financial liability, because it counts against the usage limit of their consumer Claude plan, which either is free or has a fixed monthly subscription price. The worst that can happen is that they run out of quota and can't use Claude anymore until it resets, which happens every day on free plans and every five hours on paid ones. In no case is usage attributed to an API key with metered pricing.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by ameliaquining »

bionhoward wrote: post #62

What’s this? Another category of companies forced to compete with Anthropic? It’s almost like it’s impossible to use Claude without breaking the Anthropic legal terms…

I don't think Anthropic has been going after wrappers on legal grounds? They declined to renew a bespoke capacity agreement with Windsurf but that seems different.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by gavmor »

dcl wrote: post #64
gavmor wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Log in With Google" to use Drive storage has long been a thing. Maybe proxying Gemini usage isn't too far off.

"Bring your own AI" or "Provide your AI API access key" will probably be coming to a lot of services/apps that we want 'our' AI's to interact with. I can see this also bringing strongly tiered AI's, there will be commodity/free AI's a and expensive ones for rich people/power users.

I just hope I live to see the day personal agents are empowered to make ad hoc use of paid services on our behalf—via eg AITP (Agent Interaction & Transaction Protocol), which is specifically designed to enable autonomous, secure communication, negotiation, and value exchange between agents across trust boundaries. AITP includes explicit capabilities for "Payments" (AITP-01) and "Data Request" (AITP-03), allowing structured sharing of sensitive information like addresses and passwords that can be programmatically verified and executed.

Similarly, the Coral Protocol aims to be an open and decentralized infrastructure for "The Internet of Agents," with "built-in economic transactions" at its core. This means agents can be compensated for their contributions via on-chain micropayments

Oh, damn, no, that sounds like an expense-tracking nightmare. Budgeting becomes the principal executive input.

Re: Build and Host AI-Powered Apps with Claude – No Deployment Needed

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Post by mbm »

ameliaquining wrote: post #66
mbm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. You click on a claude link, and suddenly it's, "You are now financially responsible for your actions from here on..." I'm sure they've spent a lot of time thinking through the ui/ux of this.

Users of Claude-hosted apps can't thereby incur financial liability, because it counts against the usage limit of their consumer Claude plan, which either is free or has a fixed monthly subscription price. The worst that can happen is that they run out of quota and can't use Claude anymore until it resets, which happens every day on free plans and every five hours on paid ones. In no case is usage attributed to an AP…

Ah true. So the push becomes even stronger for people to upgrade to the max plans, when several of the "apps" they're using are consuming their allocated Claude tokens. Brilliant.
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