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Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by markasoftware »

paxys wrote: post #56
pavel_lishin wrote: post #45

> If BotGhost is forced to shut down, your bot will stop working. Your settings, custom commands, custom events, market commands, market events and any work at all hosted on BotGhost will be lost. Because BotGhost does not produce code, there is no way for us to export your bot's configuration. > BotGhost cannot export bot configurations due to its no-code structure. If shutdown happens, all bots and user data will b…

An end user creates an application in Discord. They create a bot within that application, and Discord generates a token for the bot. They then copy the token into BotGhost, and BotGhost "operates" the bot. The application itself is still owned by the user, and BotGhost has no access to it.

botghost should still theoretically be able to serialize and export the bot's logic

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by mslansn »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #55
mslansn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can teach someone how to rent a vps and run a docker image with one 10-minute youtube video. Then they can use the drag and drop editor and run the bot themselves. If they don’t want to pay for hosting that’s too bad. A vps to run a bot will cost a couple bucks a month.

It's actually pretty hard to install Docker... Add Docker official GPG key... Install a bunch of crap...

Literally four commands that can be copypasted. https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/fedora/#install-using...

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by teraflop »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #45

> If BotGhost is forced to shut down, your bot will stop working. Your settings, custom commands, custom events, market commands, market events and any work at all hosted on BotGhost will be lost. Because BotGhost does not produce code, there is no way for us to export your bot's configuration. > BotGhost cannot export bot configurations due to its no-code structure. If shutdown happens, all bots and user data will b…

What they mean is "the 'no-code' logic for your bot is stored in a proprietary format that's only understood by our software, and we don't want to release our software publicly, nor do we want to document the format."

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by macspoofing »

sneak wrote: post #49
macspoofing wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Never build your main business on somebody else's platform. Yep. It’s a lesson that keeps being re-learned the hard way.

I’m sure Uber and DoorDash and Lyft and Tinder and Instagram and WhatsApp are regretting the billions and billions they made doing this. It’s bad advice.

>I’m sure Uber and DoorDash and Lyft and Tinder and Instagram and WhatsApp are regretting the billions and billions they made doing this.

I'm not sure which platforms those companies built their businesses on .. are you equating build an app on iOS or Android with building an app that relies on, say, Facebook APIs and only works on Facebook?

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by brookst »

macspoofing wrote: post #30
like_any_other wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if you want to pump oil, you better also build your own railways to distribute it, because you won't like what Standard Oil will charge you for their trains.

>Yeah, if you want to pump oil, you better also build your own railways to distribute it You're being facetious, but OP is right. For software platforms, this has been a constant. It happened with Twitter, Facebook, Google (Search/Ads, Maps, Chat), Reddit, LinkedIn - basically ever major software platform started off with relatively open APIs that were then closed-off as it gained critical mass and focused on monetiz…

And it's bigger than software. This is just vertical integration; both your suppliers and your customers will ask if they can replace you. As they should. If your only value is as a middleman that your upstream supplier can easily replace... well, that's not a lot of value.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by koakuma-chan »

mslansn wrote: post #62
koakuma-chan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually pretty hard to install Docker... Add Docker official GPG key... Install a bunch of crap...

Literally four commands that can be copypasted. https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/fedora/#install-using...

Look at Debian

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by macspoofing »

mslansn wrote: post #18

If you care so much about the users as you say then you will release the code in a docker image so they can continue using your product.

Oh come on. I'm sure they care about the users, and they were also hoping to build a business. Why the hostility? You don't have to kick them when they are down.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by like_any_other »

macspoofing wrote: post #30
like_any_other wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if you want to pump oil, you better also build your own railways to distribute it, because you won't like what Standard Oil will charge you for their trains.

>Yeah, if you want to pump oil, you better also build your own railways to distribute it You're being facetious, but OP is right. For software platforms, this has been a constant. It happened with Twitter, Facebook, Google (Search/Ads, Maps, Chat), Reddit, LinkedIn - basically ever major software platform started off with relatively open APIs that were then closed-off as it gained critical mass and focused on monetiz…

I'm not being facetious, I'm pointing out a real problem - the market fraction accessible to a new business, that isn't reliant on the good will of some giant incumbent, is shrinking. This time it's Discord, another time it's Google ads/search blacklist, or Microsoft flagging your website or program as malicious, or Facebook shadowbanning you (or charging to show your posts even to people who explicitly followed you [1]), or Walmart extorting you for shelf space access, VISA and PayPal rejecting you..

If your move is to simply retreat, and give up all this ground, what market is left for you? People who get their news and ads by paper mail, shop only at tiny independent stores, paying in cash? How many businesses can survive with ~5% (a generous estimate of the described market's relative size) of their current traffic?

[1] https://www.bentbusinessmarketing.com/why-your-fans-arent-se...

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by nubinetwork »

immibis wrote: post #36
almosthere wrote: post #20

So it sounds like you just go open source and let people host their own bot

You can already do that. People who want to do that aren't using BotGhost.

I was under the impression that writing a third party client was against TOS, and don't you have to write a client to get your bot to interact with the server?

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Post by fnimick »

macspoofing wrote: post #30
like_any_other wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if you want to pump oil, you better also build your own railways to distribute it, because you won't like what Standard Oil will charge you for their trains.

>Yeah, if you want to pump oil, you better also build your own railways to distribute it You're being facetious, but OP is right. For software platforms, this has been a constant. It happened with Twitter, Facebook, Google (Search/Ads, Maps, Chat), Reddit, LinkedIn - basically ever major software platform started off with relatively open APIs that were then closed-off as it gained critical mass and focused on monetiz…

You're hardly safe on operating system platforms either. Look at the long history of Apple sherlocking independent vendors.
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