Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions • Hacker News Board

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by dredmorbius » Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 11:44 PM UTC

pygy_ wrote: post #46

RexRollman wrote: post #44

Facebook is simply not trustworthy. I feel sorry for people having to create an account simply to use Spotify.

You don't have to use the same account for everything. I have one for social interactions with all privacy settings maxed out (including opting out of the Facebook platform [0]), and one for apps, with no friends. The same goes for Twitter. http://twitter.com/loganloginski [0] Otherwise the apps of your friends have access to your data.

That assumes there's no way to (or interest in) linking accounts.

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by notatoad » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 12:33 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #3

Anybody know how to read techcrunch articles on an iPad these days? I get fifteen seconds of article, then get redirected to that "download our app" thing. No combination of back/forward or clicking "no, let me read the article" results in me being able to actually read the article. I'm not about to pollute my iPad just for one site, so I guess from here on out I just have to make a mental note to stay away from tech…

It's better than it used to be. Today, the only consequence of their stupid banner is that i'm unable to read techcrunch. previously, that banner has always locked up the browser on my iPad, so that the whole internet app was unusable until i did a hard reset of the device.

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by notatoad » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 12:38 AM UTC

I don't see a whole lot to demonize facebook for here. With the old design, it probably took one, maybe two viewings of that screen to train a user that the 'allow' button is the one they have to push to play the game, and as soon as they learn what button they have to click to proceed, they never read anything on the page ever again. With the new design, users who care about privacy continue to have access to the relevant information, and the other 99.9% get to their game a little quicker. No matter how hard you try, most people are still going to try to ignore any text they are presented with that is not absolutely necessary to achieving their goal.

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by TravisDirks » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 2:19 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #3

Anybody know how to read techcrunch articles on an iPad these days? I get fifteen seconds of article, then get redirected to that "download our app" thing. No combination of back/forward or clicking "no, let me read the article" results in me being able to actually read the article. I'm not about to pollute my iPad just for one site, so I guess from here on out I just have to make a mental note to stay away from tech…

This has been driving me insane lately. Every site I follow a link to gives me an app splash page. What is particularly frustrating is that usually its a complete waste of both of our time since I already have the app. LinkedIn in particular drives me nuts with this.

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by pdonis » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 2:29 AM UTC

benjlang wrote: post #12

Excellent post, it's crazy what Facebook is doing to invade our privacy. That's why I use http://mypermissions.org to scan all the apps I've connected with.

I'm not sure I trust mypermissions.org any more than Facebook. Not even an "About" page or a FAQ page? Nothing explaining what they do, how it works, etc? Just click on a button with no explanation of what will happen? Sorry, but that rings all of my alarm bells. Not to mention that their solution to keeping apps from getting private info is...another app?

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by droithomme » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 2:34 AM UTC

notatoad wrote: post #63

I don't see a whole lot to demonize facebook for here. With the old design, it probably took one, maybe two viewings of that screen to train a user that the 'allow' button is the one they have to push to play the game, and as soon as they learn what button they have to click to proceed, they never read anything on the page ever again. With the new design, users who care about privacy continue to have access to the re…

But where is the "play game without disclosing my birthdate, home address, email address, and list of business contacts" button?

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by prophetjohn » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 2:35 AM UTC

RexRollman wrote: post #44

Facebook is simply not trustworthy. I feel sorry for people having to create an account simply to use Spotify.

Luckily I signed up for Spotify soon enough after they came to the US that I have an actual Spotify account. I probably wouldn't use Spotify now if I had to use Facebook to sign in.

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by mleonhard » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 3:20 AM UTC

Another dirty trick they use is refusing to fix the button to turn off apps, plugins, and Facebook integration on other websites. Log in to Facebook, click the down arrow next to your name, click "Privacy Settings", click edit settings next to "Ads, Apps, and Websites", then in "Apps you use" click "Turn off". You will see this error:

"There was an error while disabling applications and websites. Please try again."

I reported this to Facebook three months ago and haven't heard anything back. This has been broken for three months. I believe it is intentionally broken. Shame on you Facebook!

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by gcr » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 3:57 AM UTC

RexRollman wrote: post #44

Facebook is simply not trustworthy. I feel sorry for people having to create an account simply to use Spotify.

I choose to vote with my feet and not get a Spotify account at all. I don't want to support a company that strongarms their customers like htat.

Re: Design Tricks Facebook Uses To Affect Your Privacy Decisions

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Post by notatoad » Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 6:10 AM UTC

droithomme wrote: post #66

notatoad wrote: post #63

I don't see a whole lot to demonize facebook for here. With the old design, it probably took one, maybe two viewings of that screen to train a user that the 'allow' button is the one they have to push to play the game, and as soon as they learn what button they have to click to proceed, they never read anything on the page ever again. With the new design, users who care about privacy continue to have access to the re…

But where is the "play game without disclosing my birthdate, home address, email address, and list of business contacts" button?

there isn't one. you pay to play with your information instead of with money, there is no 'play without paying' button, just like there is no 'steal' button in itunes.