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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by nathanaldensr »

potholereseller wrote: post #53

The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court". Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment." If an event is so important to kno…

It serves the narrative, which is more important than facts. That's why people often say we are living in a "post-truth society."

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by drcongo »

duxup wrote: post #4

The whole story of telling ICE agents to just go out and find people on their own seems like a setup to empower the executive branch to have their own group of thugs. Without guidance they do what want outside the judicial system and sensible oversight / rules. This seems to be a pattern in most non democratic countries...

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by incomingpain »

stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

They arent.

They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by Simulacra »

potholereseller wrote: post #53

The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court". Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment." If an event is so important to kno…

A couple of reasons:

Clickbait, Incitement, Selling something, or Bad Journalism

It happens all the time, but your point is absolutely correct. Media fabrication undermines confidence in the reporting.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by potato3732842 »

woodruffw wrote: post #43
potato3732842 wrote: post #13

The entire framing of this article fact that we don't even know the name of whoever he was trying to protect tells you a lot. Clearly we're not meant to be upset that fed-cops can behave this way generally, we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, a more equal animal, the way they'd treat a common peasant who got similarly uppity. Caring about these generalities is outside our lane.

I don't think that's the point of the article -- I suspect it's more that the average New Yorker reading this NYC news site already knows who Brad Lander is. (You can also easily imagine why it wouldn't be ideal to publish the name of someone who is actively being harassed by masked thugs.)

>(You can also easily imagine why it wouldn't be ideal to publish the name of someone who is actively being harassed by masked thugs.)

If I were being mistreated by enforcers I would want my name anywhere and everywhere. Public scrutiny is one's only hope when government seeks to mistreat you.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by Simulacra »

nemomarx wrote: post #14
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

Call your elected representatives. Attend a protest. Make noise. Above all else, protect your family, friends, and neighbors. We do not have to sit back and let this happen.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

They?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by msgodel »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #19
potato3732842 wrote: post #13

The entire framing of this article fact that we don't even know the name of whoever he was trying to protect tells you a lot. Clearly we're not meant to be upset that fed-cops can behave this way generally, we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, a more equal animal, the way they'd treat a common peasant who got similarly uppity. Caring about these generalities is outside our lane.

> we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials.

Government employees have more responsibilities than normal US citizens. If he was hiding someone he was derelict in that responsibility and sending the law after him is completely reasonable.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by blindriver »

Juliate wrote: post #46
user3939382 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t have to physically produce the warrant as long as it’s been issued.

Factually and obviously false.

It takes a simple google to figure out that you are incorrect. If an arrest warrant exists, police need to produce an arrest warrant as soon as possible but not at time of arrest.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by peteyPete »

Go forth and arrest 3000 people a day, says Trump.. I assume performance is tied to that 40k bonus they're supposed to be getting under the big beautiful bullshit bill? Are they being paid a performance bonus? An incentive to put anyone in cuffs if they don't care about how its done. History will not be kind to those amoebas.
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