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Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by wmf »

coryl wrote: post #18
lubos wrote: post #4

I was shocked to learn this case is basically being decided by people who have no idea what they are really deciding on. Here is the jury according to techcrunch 1. An electrical engineer 2. A homemaker 3. A construction worker 4. A young unemployed man who likes video games 5. An insurance agent 6. An ex-Navy avionics technician 7. A store operations manager for a cycling retailer 8. A project manager for wireless c…

Isn't that how a jury is suppose to work though? They're suppose to have as little bias as possible going into the case.

The idea that expertise necessarily produces bias (towards which side?) troubles me.

In this particular case, I agree with other commenters here that the general public should be fit to judge. But I'd rather see technical cases like Oracle vs. Google decided by experts.

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Post by timdorr »

shawnee_ wrote: post #53

If Lucy Koh is so intent on protecting the singularity of one corporate interest over what is so obviously good for the general public, she should not be a Federal District Judge. She should still be in private practice. We need Federal District Judges who are willing to work for the good of consumers, which involves protecting a market where competition can thrive. Consumers benefit when there is more than one separ…

Judge Koh didn't make this decision, a jury did.

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Post by paranoiacblack »

untog wrote: post #30
paranoiacblack wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You just have to look at Windows Phone 7 or Windows 8 or Web OS or Blackberry to realize that you don't have to copy Apple to make a good or great smartphone. Ok sure, but why did you cite a bunch of bad smartphones to validate your point?

Smartphones != OS Have you ever used Windows Phone or WebOS? I assure you, they are not 'bad'.

Ok, but AndroidOS didn't copy iOS for mobile so that's not what we're talking about. If we're talking about OSes only, then I agree, there's nothing wrong with either of those phones or really the blackberry themselves. They all have functionalities that fit different userbases. Similarly, neither of these OSes are absolutely 'better' than one another in that context.

Obviously, the point of contention here is with the design of the phones themselves, and how similar they look and feel to consumers. In that argument, the phones that have supported WebOS, Blackberry, and the WindowsOS have a lower quality overall, and I like WebOS. I'm talking about hardware, durability, and application ecosystem. This is my claim that smartphones of these types are 'bad'. The iPhone and Android would not be as popular if they were similar to the older Blackberry phones.

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Post by mbell »

tzs wrote: post #36
JoshTriplett wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The words "proven invalid" seem like a nice summary of what's so broken about this situation.

How so? Issued patents have already undergone an examination by a patent examiner, who found that the patent met the statutory requirements for validity, so it seems reasonable to me that someone wishing to overturn that decision should bear the burden of proof.

You have far more confidence in patent examiners than I do.

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Post by Symmetry »

shawnee_ wrote: post #53

If Lucy Koh is so intent on protecting the singularity of one corporate interest over what is so obviously good for the general public, she should not be a Federal District Judge. She should still be in private practice. We need Federal District Judges who are willing to work for the good of consumers, which involves protecting a market where competition can thrive. Consumers benefit when there is more than one separ…

Better than that, I think, would be legislators looking out for the good of consumers and judges interpreting the law impartially.

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Post by Karunamon »

gridspy wrote: post #17
lazyoaf wrote: post #6

This isn't right.... This is a terrible day for fair competition.

Are you saying that Patents prevent fair competition? Isn't that the point of patents?

>Are you saying that Patents prevent fair competition?

Absolutely and unquestionably. I've seem them more used recently to bully and to harass by companies who'd rather litigate than innovate.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by saurik »

programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

WebOS had many of the same UI elements; they actually copied the tactile feel quite closely. At the time of the Pre launch, the speculation was that Palm could afford to piss off Apple as their patent chest included some real gems from their work on the Palm Pilot and on Treo smartphones; I have a vague recollection that they had some key patents required to build a smartphone address book that Apple was already likely infringing.

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Post by crag »

lubos wrote: post #4

I was shocked to learn this case is basically being decided by people who have no idea what they are really deciding on. Here is the jury according to techcrunch 1. An electrical engineer 2. A homemaker 3. A construction worker 4. A young unemployed man who likes video games 5. An insurance agent 6. An ex-Navy avionics technician 7. A store operations manager for a cycling retailer 8. A project manager for wireless c…

Try finding an impartial "geek" to set on this jury. Good luck.

If Samsung can't convince this lot - they couldn't it seems. So their only hope is the appeals court. But I got a feeling they'll drop that too.

Samsung's best approach is to pay. And move on.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

scott_meade wrote: post #56
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #2

From: http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/ "No across the board. Not a single [patent] proven invalid by Samsung." that's big. edit: "Damages from Apple to Samsung: zero." (edit2: oops, dumb typo)

Don't you mean $1.051 Billion?

I had the whole thing reversed. Thanks for pointing it out :)
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