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Sure, tell that to Theranos' executives. Oh yeah, you can't, they're in jail.
Theranos never went public, so the quote about markets doesn't apply. I do agree with the general sentiment, however. If FSD kills a person, many executives, including the top dog, need to go to jail.
Tesla Robotaxi launch is a dangerous game of smoke and mirrors
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#62But we don't want drivers because....
So strange to me.
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I think if Robotaxis take off, then his politics won't matter at all. People aren't going to care what brand of car comes to pick them up as long as they feel safe. I've been bearish on Tesla for years and they always prove me wrong. Robotaxis/Waymos are going to be national thing within the decade. It's just a bet on who survives, the biggest loser will be gig workers, that part I feel confident about.
Robotaxis are a pleasant experience now partially because, like early zipcar, it's mostly richer nerds using the service. Over time they are going to run into all the problems of public infrastructure in low trust places like NYC where, unattended, you will have people use the backseat as a dining room, smoking lounge, bar and toilet. Time will tell how they deal with bad riders.
Kick them out. Identity is tied to a credit card and a smartphone, after all.
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#64I own two Teslas, and drive between Portland and Seattle about once every 10 days, using FSD nearly the entire way. FSD has gotten amazingly better over the last year, it can and has taken me from driveway to driveway between two cities... when the weather is nice. As soon as there is any weather however, things start to fall apart. It's very clear to me that vision alone wont be the solution to FSD, and is the main…
I also use FSD HW4 daily, and it really just works well in regular conditions. It's unbelievable how we have a level of autonomy here and now, and not too many people know about it. Out of about 6k miles in the last 7 months, I probably drove 80 or so. I did not have many issues in the rain, but I do have issues in the snow. It's still somewhat unaware of how to drive well in snow. I usually disengage when it's snowy…
Would note that most premium cars sold in America currently have advanced self-driving capabilities. I've personally been more impressed by Mercedes' kit than Tesla's, mostly because the former seems to have done a great job of defining where you can almost trust the system to just work.
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#65Are taxis like the anti-public transportation? Maybe they're "public" transportation for the individual? But we don't want drivers because.... So strange to me.
Taxis are a useful way to get around, including to and from public transit. That's all that should matter. Whether they fit into a particular urban vision is secondary to the fact that they're desirable to the people living there.
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Waymo has already lapped Tesla. They sell 250,000 rides per week and rising, for a total well over 10 million. That compares to precisely zero rides sold commercially by Tesla. It's possible Tesla could catch up, but first they need to stop losing ground and develop technology that can actually compete with their leading competitor. Plus, right now the Tesla brand is synonymous with the most obnoxious blowhard in Ame…
Waymo has been "scaling" down the Peninsula from SF for about 18 months now, and it's still not generally available. Tesla can scale by simply adding vehicles.
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Robotaxis are a pleasant experience now partially because, like early zipcar, it's mostly richer nerds using the service. Over time they are going to run into all the problems of public infrastructure in low trust places like NYC where, unattended, you will have people use the backseat as a dining room, smoking lounge, bar and toilet. Time will tell how they deal with bad riders.
> Time will tell how they deal with bad riders Kick them out. Identity is tied to a credit card and a smartphone, after all.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Theranos never went public, so the quote about markets doesn't apply. I do agree with the general sentiment, however. If FSD kills a person, many executives, including the top dog, need to go to jail.
That seems like an awfully low bar to imprisoning people. Shouldn't executives at every company which designs or manufactures vehicles go to jail by your standard? If not, why?
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Tesla has lost a lot of their lustre this year. Sales plummeting is incontrovertible. Just based on that alone is devastating. But this robotaxi lack of success will not be treated the same anymore.
If the market was actually rational the stock would have tanked already. The small number of people who hold the most stock have every incentive to keep the price high.
People who want to hold stock aren't the ones who set the price at which it trades. People who want to actively buy or sell it do.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Theranos never went public, so the quote about markets doesn't apply. I do agree with the general sentiment, however. If FSD kills a person, many executives, including the top dog, need to go to jail.
That seems like an awfully low bar to imprisoning people. Shouldn't executives at every company which designs or manufactures vehicles go to jail by your standard? If not, why?