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Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

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Re: Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

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This is a good move. Without having endless resources keeping the codebase small and focused just makes sense. I know it's going to be painful for non-Linux users but volunteer devs can't be expected to cover all bases.

>Keeping the codebase small and focused makes sense

LMFAO. You have not even glanced at insane dumpster fire that is the gnome codebase.

Re: Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

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I have yet to hear an argument against systemd which isn’t a variation of: - """bloat""" - I dislike Poettering. Remember pulseaudio? - a core user-space layer for modern applications that can’t only rely on the spartan kernel syscall API? Literally 1984. Given that systemd is good enough and is running on 99% of desktops and servers, I always find it hilarious to see how the vocal minority is overrepresented on this…

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I take offense at being called an IBM/MSFT shillbot just because I have a different opinion than yours. Learn how to voice disagreement without resorting to passive aggressive 4chan snark.

And feel free to produce evidence that non-systemd Linux users are not a minority.

Re: Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

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This is the back-end plague which is everywhere in free software. The idea is that whatever "it" is, adding support for "it" is "just another back-end" . Take cairo for example, it has or had back-ends for gdk, win32, png, svg, html canvas, pdf, postscript, opengl, xlib, quartz, etc. Only a few of them are actually usable and support has been removed for several others over the years. The number of sound back-ends on…

The problem is that everyone is doing their own thing instead of coming up with a common standard. That's kinda why Wayland is so hated. What people seem to be misunderstanding about systemd is that it is not encroaching and forcing itself upon distros. It's the opposite. It's solving problems faster than anyone else and thereby wins by default. If there was a competing project that did the same things systemd did (t…

> The problem is that everyone is doing their own thing instead of coming up with a common standard

I mean, there is a reason XKCD 927 is the most quoted to the point of attracting downvotes. It's pure cliché, so I wonder why you believe a common standard to rule them all is possible.

There is only one sane approach in software: opinionated configuration. Yet the free-software world somehow still clings to the utopia of multiple, freely interchangeable choices, and all you get is half a dozen unmaintained backends and just one that actually works for a number of years when someone forgets 927 and decides to reinvent the wheel, badly.

Re: Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

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I have yet to hear an argument against systemd which isn’t a variation of: - """bloat""" - I dislike Poettering. Remember pulseaudio? - a core user-space layer for modern applications that can’t only rely on the spartan kernel syscall API? Literally 1984. Given that systemd is good enough and is running on 99% of desktops and servers, I always find it hilarious to see how the vocal minority is overrepresented on this…

There aren't decent Pro systemd arguments other than "the Linux API confused me" and sysv init (which no one argues is good) was bad. Personally the last system I had systemd on corrupted my package database after killing apt that I was running in tmux. "Oh you can fix that with xyz systemd configuration." Here's my response: Kindly shove it up your ass and quit moving things around all the time just because you're b…

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There aren't decent Pro systemd arguments other than "the Linux API confused me" and sysv init (which no one argues is good) was bad. Personally the last system I had systemd on corrupted my package database after killing apt that I was running in tmux. "Oh you can fix that with xyz systemd configuration." Here's my response: Kindly shove it up your ass and quit moving things around all the time just because you're b…

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Re: Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

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I just registered for comment here: they always refused to admit it (by "they" I mean Fedora/IBM) but we will end up having a Gnome OS for the general public... And I'm afraid the 3E rule is starting to be applied (Extended already, Embraced in all the "other OS" and now...)

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Look at how well forking worked for elogind. It's been a constant burden for Gentoo and they've been looking to replace it ever since. APIs are sticky, and they are chosen because they're common, not because they're good.

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I take offense at being called an IBM/MSFT shillbot just because I have a different opinion than yours. Learn how to voice disagreement without resorting to passive aggressive 4chan snark. And feel free to produce evidence that non-systemd Linux users are not a minority.

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I take offense at being called an IBM/MSFT shillbot just because I have a different opinion than yours. Learn how to voice disagreement without resorting to passive aggressive 4chan snark. And feel free to produce evidence that non-systemd Linux users are not a minority.

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> The majority of people are demonstrably idiotic

True. But is any minority of people demonstrably smarter?

I have been asking for good argument against systemd, and all I have gotten is name-calling and "we're few so we're better than you". I honestly don't care at this point, good day.

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I take offense at being called an IBM/MSFT shillbot just because I have a different opinion than yours. Learn how to voice disagreement without resorting to passive aggressive 4chan snark. And feel free to produce evidence that non-systemd Linux users are not a minority.

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> The majority of people are demonstrably idiotic True. But is any minority of people demonstrably smarter? I have been asking for good argument against systemd, and all I have gotten is name-calling and "we're few so we're better than you". I honestly don't care at this point, good day.

the reason any libre alternative is better than systemd is they are not beholden to IBM or Microsoft
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