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I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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>The app did recognize it as an apple this time, but estimated it at 80 calories when the actual count should have been closer to 120. Where does the author take the 120 number from? The very link they gave says a large pink lady apple is 78 calories.

Presumably every apple has a different calorie count depending on ripeness, size, and variety...?

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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These apps look gimmicky but they are growing like crazy. CalAI, for example, is making 35M+/yr. I’m hoping that some people really find value in these apps and that they are not just a pure marketing driven play.

I wouldn't trust the revenue numbers, plus the churn is probably insanely high. Flashes in the pan

There is good money in the App Store once you crack social marketing. The founder shows several videos of reloading the App Store Connect page showing revenue numbers. It's not unbelievable.

(Not to defend the app itself obviously)

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Gimmicky my ass. I speak a sentence every night on a thread to ChatGPT about what I had for breakfast, lunch and dinner along with quantities and it spits out my macros and nutritional breakdowns effectively. It’s the easiest and most no nonsense way I have found to record this information. Since it’s all on the same thread it always outputs the data in the same format and I can ask it for information over custom tim…

This is different than the style of ai calorue app that extrapolates caloric content from pictures of your food. That kind is gimmicky BS

The app is also using a low quality and outdated model (Gemini 1.5) to reduce costs, whereas this poster is likely using GPT 4o

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Others have found that CalAI likely uses Gemini 1.5 (not sure which variant) which is used because it's very cheap, not for its accuracy. I understand the fundamental issues with calorie counting via photo analysis/LLM. However these articles would be more interesting if they included comparison with results from actual cutting-edge LLMs, rather than the budget models. I acknowledge that apps don't use these models t…

what's worse, this could be 100% done in local llms since its such a small batchable job

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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How many times a day and how many unique food items does one need to eat to continually remain so hopelessly unfamiliar with their caloric intake that they need an app to track it?

What role can AI possibly have in this, when all you need to do is either turn around the packaging or do a web search for the dish you cook to get a number?

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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How many times a day and how many unique food items does one need to eat to continually remain so hopelessly unfamiliar with their caloric intake that they need an app to track it? What role can AI possibly have in this, when all you need to do is either turn around the packaging or do a web search for the dish you cook to get a number?

Restaurants and dishes at home made by someone else that have a combination of different foods.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Others have found that CalAI likely uses Gemini 1.5 (not sure which variant) which is used because it's very cheap, not for its accuracy. I understand the fundamental issues with calorie counting via photo analysis/LLM. However these articles would be more interesting if they included comparison with results from actual cutting-edge LLMs, rather than the budget models. I acknowledge that apps don't use these models t…

what's worse, this could be 100% done in local llms since its such a small batchable job

What model can run on a phone with accuracy closer to 4o than Gemini 1.5?

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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AI aside we don't really know how many calories a given person will get from eating a given piece of food. We measure food's calories by burning it, but we don't get nearly all that energy from dissolving it (just consider the fact that solid human waste burns, for instance). At best we've established some (fairly broad) minima and maxima.
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