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Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by 90s_dev »

CJefferson wrote: post #58
90s_dev wrote: post #28

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That's what I'm working on, basically love2d but SDL3 and TS/JS (via QuickJS). And no box2d builtin, but easily importable via CDN.

Obviously you can do what you like, but I'd advise making sure box2d (or similar) is super easy. Bonus points if there is also a built in function for drawing box2d objects. I've often taught beginning game dev in a day, and with box2d in love2d you can very quickly make a wide selection of cool games, and while it's not perfect it makes it easy to get started making platforms, doing collisions, all sorts of things.

Fair enough, maybe I'll include it after all. Unless I get hung up on the question of which physics engine to include. Endless possibilities make decisions difficult.

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by dieortin »

dustbunny wrote: post #30
90s_dev wrote: post #11

Last night I tried for maybe about 6 hours so many combinations of efforts to compile a C++, SDL3 and Lua program on Windows, with different IDEs, build systems, compilers, package managers etc. Finally I'm just giving up and using VS with CMake and vcpkg. The main problem is that there's way too many words on all those documentation pages. It would have taken 3 or 4 days to read them all, and maybe only 2 hours wort…

I agree. I used chatgpt to write a makefile to compile sokol+Tracy. It's a pretty solid, generic makefile. But "build system complexity" pushed me away from sdl, magnum graphics and bgfx into the arms of sokol. And I'm a 10+ year gamedev. Out of all of c++'s sins, the lack of a solid integrated build system is the one that bites me the most.

I really recommend Bazel (https://bazel.build)

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by python-b5 »

pusewicz wrote: post #20
raincole wrote: post #17

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I wonder if there is a SDL3 wrapper that comes with a scripting language[0], hot reload and build scripts for every major platform. Love2D seems close to that, but afaik it doesn't support SDL3 features like the new GPU API. [0]: It's not like I'm allergic to C++, but I firmly believe when developing something that is mostly interactive, such as complex GUI or games, a language that is garbage collected and can be ho…

Try https://dragonruby.org/ . It's great! Still on SDL2, but will migrate to SDL3 eventually. Code reload (because it uses MRuby) is just :chef-kiss:

DragonRuby seems interesting, but being a paid product immediately rules it out for me. I've been working on my own similar, smaller framework, which is more work, but I believe it's valuable not to depend on a for-profit company for your work, if at all possible.

Also, the attitude much of the wiki / promotional pages are written in for that framework runs me the wrong way for some reason. "Unity and GameMaker rot your brain"... are you kidding me? No they don't. You're still writing real code and solving real problems. They just have more systems in place you have to work within. I don't like the self-righteous attitude. It's fair to not want to go open source if that's your preference, but don't act like people who don't want to use closed-source software where possible are being unreasonable. I also don't see how what is effectively a Ruby wrapper for SDL3 is such an immensely complicated piece of engineering that it needs to cost as much as they're charging for it.

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by pusewicz »

dieortin wrote: post #62
dustbunny wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I used chatgpt to write a makefile to compile sokol+Tracy. It's a pretty solid, generic makefile. But "build system complexity" pushed me away from sdl, magnum graphics and bgfx into the arms of sokol. And I'm a 10+ year gamedev. Out of all of c++'s sins, the lack of a solid integrated build system is the one that bites me the most.

I really recommend Bazel ( https://bazel.build )

What us better about it?

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by pusewicz »

python-b5 wrote: post #63
pusewicz wrote: post #20

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Try https://dragonruby.org/ . It's great! Still on SDL2, but will migrate to SDL3 eventually. Code reload (because it uses MRuby) is just :chef-kiss:

DragonRuby seems interesting, but being a paid product immediately rules it out for me. I've been working on my own similar, smaller framework, which is more work, but I believe it's valuable not to depend on a for-profit company for your work, if at all possible. Also, the attitude much of the wiki / promotional pages are written in for that framework runs me the wrong way for some reason. "Unity and GameMaker rot y…

It’s not just a wrapper. There’s more to it than you might think. It’s easy to say „just” without spending time understanding what a tool does.

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by fatihpense »

90s_dev wrote: post #56
pusewicz wrote: post #49

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But why?

Why do I want to make money from my hard work? Or why am I sad when someone offers a way to bypass paying money for hard work to get something for free?

I assumed the original developers might give free copies in the official discord

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by pusewicz »

90s_dev wrote: post #31
pusewicz wrote: post #18

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It's not mine, I'm just a fan myself!

Well as a fan you certainly commit a lot https://github.com/RandyGaul/cute_framework/commits/master/

Sure, but it’s not me who built the whole framework. My contributions are fairly superficial.

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by dieortin »

pusewicz wrote: post #65
dieortin wrote: post #62

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I really recommend Bazel ( https://bazel.build )

What us better about it?

Quite a few things. For a C++ only project, the biggest ones would be reproducibility and speed. But beyond those, I find it saner overall: the language is way easier to understand (~python), and the model of packages, targets, visibility etc makes it easy to organize and manage a large codebase.

The worst part about Bazel for C++ is that it’s not yet as widespread as CMake or plain old Makefiles so it can be harder to get third party libraries into your project, but that’s changing quite fast with the bazel registry, and you have things like rules_cc that help you run other build systems inside bazel.

Re: Swift and the Cute 2d game framework: Setting up a project with CMake

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Post by pusewicz »

90s_dev wrote: post #56
pusewicz wrote: post #49

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But why?

Why do I want to make money from my hard work? Or why am I sad when someone offers a way to bypass paying money for hard work to get something for free?

I meant that the author of DragonRuby is generous. And depending on your use case he might be willing to give you a free copy. Additionally, whenever there is a gamejam related to DragonRuby, he usually gives away free copies to anyone who wants to participate. For you to keep. Nobody said anything about bypassing paying money. Not sure what you were thinking.
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