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Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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When you vibe author a book, don’t forget to vibe edit the book too. Legitimately, an LLM would have caught these.

Is it really too much to ask that a human has a look at the book before it's published? Even just to proofread.

Otherwise we might as well let AI also do the reading for us. Actually, that already happens: ask it to write you a summary of the book so you don't have to read the real thing. Maybe we're building an economy just for the robots.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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"authors"

Is a mid-century paperback author, who published several books a year (100+ over their career) with the same plot, less of an "author" than someone who publishes a handful of original works over their career? Literary slop long predates AI.

Romance novels are notorious for this, but Campbell's Hero's Journey also identifies a constantly reused plot.

But ultimately books aren't just about the plot (some don't even have one), but also about the execution.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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It annoys me greatly that correct punctuation can be make your work look artificially generated.

Yeah but for educators, it may be a positive signal for plagiarism, as has always been the case.

So if you punctuate correctly, you get accused of plagiarism, but if you don't, then you get penalised for incorrect punctuation... I suppose school is meant to prepare you for life, so it makes sense.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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Any text (book, essay, blog, comment) which includes any lines of unedited LLM output should come with a statement saying so. Even if the whole thing was very carefully edited and reviewed and the author is certain there's no obvious trace of LLM usage, they should still always say so.

Not because the LLM "deserves credit" (a disgusting trend, I find) but because:

A. The millions of humans who got ripped off in the process of their knowledge and time being hoovered up, digitised and productised deserve credit

B. Your artistic, aesthetic and ethical choices need to be assumed fully.

I can't see law working here, so I think it'll have to be cultural. Cultural means these discussions on here, for one. I implore every LLM user reading this to consider full honesty when using these tools.

I can picture the smart replies now so allow me to cut off one obvious one - no, business emails don't count, all business comms were already sloppified years ago. I mean anything that could reasonably be construed as creative, anything purporting to be sincere personal writing.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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Ergh. My muscle memory is to use Opt+- with great frequency. Presumably that means folks will start to flag my stuff as generated.

Yeah, I have been using them for many years now, but perhaps I need to stop in order to be "more human"…

I find myself having to avoid certain words and phrases these days in case people think I'm using ChatGPT.

"You’re absolutely right!"

"This isn't about [thing]—it's about [other thing]."

"It’s important to note that..."

"Delve"

Many such cases.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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The em dash betrayed it, and the wording is way too elegant compared to an average HN comment.

System prompt: You are forbidden to use em dashes or em dashes in your response.

This doesn't work. ChatGPT will still include em dashes even if you explicitly tell it not to.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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Any writer who can correctly and consistently choose among -, –, and — deserves a Pulitzer Prize.

I don't really deserve a Pulitzer, but thanks! :) Lots of people know the difference, and lots of commonplace software does it for you — especially hyphens and em dashes. There was a thread on HN in the last few months. Here's a quick, general guide: * Hyphens join things into one term: sun-bleached * EN dashes create a continuous range between things: Reagan was president 1981–1989 ; Chicago–Boston flight . * EM das…

But realistically, hyphens are used for all three, because that's the only one that can be typed with a single key.

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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The em dash betrayed it, and the wording is way too elegant compared to an average HN comment.

It annoys me greatly that correct punctuation can be make your work look artificially generated.

that's why i stopped using capital letters!

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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I don't really deserve a Pulitzer, but thanks! :) Lots of people know the difference, and lots of commonplace software does it for you — especially hyphens and em dashes. There was a thread on HN in the last few months. Here's a quick, general guide: * Hyphens join things into one term: sun-bleached * EN dashes create a continuous range between things: Reagan was president 1981–1989 ; Chicago–Boston flight . * EM das…

But realistically, hyphens are used for all three, because that's the only one that can be typed with a single key.

Unicode and word processors ("desktop publishing") have brought us to the point of being our own typesetters.

Talk about losing jobs: in the past, a document could go from a verbal dictation to a scribe taking notes, to an editor for redactions, to be set in movable type, and printed on a press.

Now it’s up to one person with a computer to do it all, and our scope and definition of literacy has expanded.

Someone writing a manuscript doesn’t have 3 different dashes: they just draw a line, short or long. Typewriters had a hyphen key only.

Maybe we can go back to "two spaces after each period".

Re: Authors are accidentally leaving AI prompts in their novels

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post #61
post #45

When you vibe author a book, don’t forget to vibe edit the book too. Legitimately, an LLM would have caught these.

Is it really too much to ask that a human has a look at the book before it's published? Even just to proofread. Otherwise we might as well let AI also do the reading for us. Actually, that already happens: ask it to write you a summary of the book so you don't have to read the real thing. Maybe we're building an economy just for the robots.

"This novel could have been a prompt"
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