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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

#61

Got a bit of an uncanny valley feeling with the owl and the old man videos. And the origami video give me a sort of sinister feeling, seemed vaguely threatening, agressive.

Lower on the page there's a knitted characters version that feels much better. It seems like for some of these, divorcing yourself from reality a little bit helps avoid the uncanny valley.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Future is not bright. While we are endlessly talking about details reality is that AI is taken over so many jobs.

Not in 10 years but now.

People who just see this as terrible are wrong. AI improving curves is exponential.

People adaptability is at best linear.

This makes me really sad. For creativity. For people.

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. This "fixes" Hollywood's biggest "issues". No more highly paid actors demanding 50 million to appear in your movie, no more pretentious movie stars causing dramas and controversies, no more workers' unions or strikes, but all gains being funneled directly to shareholders. The VFX industry being turned into a gig meatgrinder was already…

> Hollywood's wet dream. Except it bankrupts Hollywood, they are no longer needed. Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. The end game is endless ultra personalized content beamed into people's heads every free waking hour of the day. Hollywood is irrelevant in that future.

I wish I could feed Dan Simmons' books to an AI and watch at my leisure

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

AI used to be quite bad at coding just - what - 2 years ago?

Now it's "good enough" for a lot of cases (and the pace of improvement is astounding).

AI is still not great at image gen and video gen, but the pace of improvement is impressive.

I'm skeptical image, video, and sound gen are "too difficult" for AI to get "good enough" at for many use cases within the next 5 years.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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It finally feels like the professional tools have greatly outpaced the open source versions. While wan and hunyuan are solid free options, the latest from Google and Runway have started to feel like a league above. Interestingly it feels like the biggest differentiator is editing tools - ability to prompt motion, direction, cuts, or weaving in audio, rather than just pure ability to one shot.

These larger companies are clearly going after the agency/hollywood use cases. It'll be fascinating to see when they become the default rather than a niche option - that time seems to be drawing closer faster than anticipated. The results here are great, but they're still one or two generations off.

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post #35
post #3

The ad for Flow would be much better if they laid off the swirly and wavy effects, and focused on realism. Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. Then, "Google Sequels" - generates a sequel for any movie.

AI trailers already exist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_52fVxPZcIiEvGocuVn6...

I feel like we should probably draw a distinction between "AI trailers exist as a replacement for traditional trailers" and "AI trailers exist because they're the clickbait du-jour for cynical social media engagement farmers". For now they're 100% the latter.

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post #63

Future is not bright. While we are endlessly talking about details reality is that AI is taken over so many jobs. Not in 10 years but now. People who just see this as terrible are wrong. AI improving curves is exponential. People adaptability is at best linear. This makes me really sad. For creativity. For people.

Maybe. The internet was also exponential, and while it has its drawbacks, I think it's resulted in a huge increase in creativity. The world looks very different than it did 30 years ago, and I think mostly for the better.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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post #63

Future is not bright. While we are endlessly talking about details reality is that AI is taken over so many jobs. Not in 10 years but now. People who just see this as terrible are wrong. AI improving curves is exponential. People adaptability is at best linear. This makes me really sad. For creativity. For people.

> Future is not bright. While we are endlessly talking about details reality is that AI is taken over so many jobs.

Of course this is not because of AI. It's because of the ridiculous system of social organization where increased automation and efficiency makes people worse off.

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