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Stack Overflow is almost dead

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Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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The timing on the sale was genius. Similar to Mark Cuban with Broadcast.com. I guess it's best to sell something before the value plummets to 0. As far as its demise? AI ate its lunch. I use to use Stack Overflow all the time and haven't even gone to the site for a couple of years now.

Where's the AI of tomorrow going to learn from if nobody is posting Q&As online anymore?

Other people's code on GitHub.

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That license comes with obligations that the AI companies aren't following.

Its highly debatable if that's true. The cc lience only applies to the presentation of the information, it doesn't apply to the factual content of the information. Which part openAI used is a matter of much controversy.

Well.. if given the right prompt.. it will effectively fully reproduce a stack overflow post in it's original form then there is no controversy and we can all see plainly what's going on behind the scenes.

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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Interestingly, the site stopped growing at about the same time when the "fun killers" [0] took hand of it. Notably, when they deleted the all-time highest voting question "New programming jargon you coined?".

This blatantly undemocratic and destructive behavior was of course duely punished by the (former) users of the site.

[0] https://blog.codinghorror.com/new-programming-jargon/

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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> June 2021: Stack Overflow sold for $1.8B to private equity investor, Prosus. In hindsight, the founders – Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky – sold with near-perfect timing, before terminal decline.

Hey, if it all crashes and burns, at least it’s the so-called smartest guys in the room going down with the ship. Just a bunch of VCs learning the hard way that they had no idea how to actually run or grow the company they bought. “Look at how well we optimized it!” Yeah — right into the ground.

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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Hardware is usually just a small part of running a website.

Set up StackOverflow according to "cloud native" recommendations and whoops, that's gonna be quite the bill, which is my point. You'll have Cloudfront for global load balancing, ELB to provide a bridge between Cloudfront and Kubernetes, EFS for storage, RDS for the database, EKS and EC2 for compute, ElastiCache for KV cache, add in CodeBuild for build/deploy pipelines... AWS has quite the hefty overhead.

Oh definitely. AWS is where you go to set money on fire.

However servers aren't the sort of thing you can just plugin and forget when running a major website. Things go down, users trigger edge cases, people try and DOS you, disks fill up, etc. You do still need some staff to take care of things

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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My heart goes to the stack overflow community which has always been very kind and helpful, essentially working for free. As a self-taught developer since the age of 8, I literally grew up learning how to code through SO, asking hundreds of questions and answering many more. So many bugs that would take 2-3 days to fix would eventually find their answer through it. But now ChatGPT does that in minutes… so it’s for the…

Until there is a radically new version of {popular programming language} with breaking changes and no new and correct answers to train on.

These models can figure out syntax and language features they haven’t seen before. Try it with a few code snippets of your own made-up language. It’s a little freaky.

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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An old fact about StackOverflow is that there’s a disproportionate amount of views compared to questions asked.

Something like 1000x more views than posts/comments… I wonder if that statistic has changed over the years?…

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its highly debatable if that's true. The cc lience only applies to the presentation of the information, it doesn't apply to the factual content of the information. Which part openAI used is a matter of much controversy.

Well.. if given the right prompt.. it will effectively fully reproduce a stack overflow post in it's original form then there is no controversy and we can all see plainly what's going on behind the scenes.

Will it actually? There have certainly been incidents of that sort of thing, but from what i understand people have not been able to reliably make that happen for specific posts .

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That license comes with obligations that the AI companies aren't following.

Its highly debatable if that's true. The cc lience only applies to the presentation of the information, it doesn't apply to the factual content of the information. Which part openAI used is a matter of much controversy.

Cursor once wrote a comment, I prompted then « what is the source of the comment » and it replaced the comment with a stackoverflow url in which the page contained the said comment verbatim. I didn’t expect cursor to paste the full url

Re: Stack Overflow is almost dead

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Stack Overflow was a question and answer site that discouraged people from asking or answering questions.

LLMs probably sped things up, but it seems like it was inevitable that it would fall into disuse and eventually be overtaken one way or another.

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