Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball • Hacker News Board

Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball

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Post by alwa » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:52 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #29

alwa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it certain that impoverished people would weigh those potential consequences more heavily than being paid today? For that matter, do we expect that the impoverished people the gp commenter refers to would resist, say, government-led efforts to compel their biometrics from them? [0] [0] e.g. https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2022/0425...

Poor people would sell a kidney if the otherwise consequence is starvation. That is not a good measure for the willingness of a decision

True, but does that mean the solution is to force the starvation because their choice to alleviate it was insufficiently willing for our tastes? At least they’ll starve with two kidneys, and we hope the would-be kidney recipient can get by on dialysis a while longer?

By all means let’s engineer a world where people are never faced with crappy choices. But people are living in the present, not the glorious future: Taking away the choice in this case doesn’t seem to fix the situation, and deprives people of a benefit they’d accept if you let them choose.

Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball

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Post by wil421 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:53 PM UTC

grumbel wrote: post #12

9283409232 wrote: post #3

Why are these rich assholes so obsessed with tracking everyone? > Tools for Humanity bragged about many large partnerships that should make any privacy advocates shiver in dread: the Match Group dating apps conglomerate (Tinder, OkCupid, Hinge, Plenty of Fish), Stripe, and Visa are some of them. Visa and Stripe being involved in this should indeed make everyone shiver and push back against this. Altman is not a good…

In the AI driven future we are heading into, telling the difference between AI-bot and human might become a valuable good.

Or they just want to sell us minority report style ads.

Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball

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Post by grumbel » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:54 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #18

grumbel wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the AI driven future we are heading into, telling the difference between AI-bot and human might become a valuable good.

Why? And how would that even work? Just because an online account is tied to a verified real human doesn't guarantee that the content isn't coming from an AI-bot.

It's a blockchain, so you can keep permanent record of what a person is doing and when and where they got caught violating the rules. It won't stop the infractions from happening at first, but it will make it very easy to avoid them happening again. And if this gets widespread, people might think twice before risking their blockchain personhood certificate.

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Post by the_snooze » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:55 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #60

wnevets wrote: post #38

Even if you 100% believe in your heart that Altman would never do anything negative with these scans that doesn't mean someone else won't if/when they get access to them. People may trusted 23andMe with their genetic data but now no one knows who will end up owning it and why the buyer believes buying the data is profitable. https://wydaily.com/latest/regional-national/2025/05/08/23an...

When talking about government surveillance, people often ask some version of 'well, if you're not doing anything wrong, what are you afraid of?'. My response is always, 'It's not that I don't trust our current government, I don't trust all future governments that come after this one'. I hope given the recent events of having some hired thugs rifle through government databases (including the OPM, which supposedly has…

> 'well, if you're not doing anything wrong, what are you afraid of?'

I like to go with the simpler "I hold lots of sensitive data for people who trust me: my family, my friends, my employer. One would have to be a sociopath to disclose other people's secrets without their consent."

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Post by hsuduebc2 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:56 PM UTC

I'm always struck by how sci-fi writers, in a way, act like prophets. It's as if common sense or imagination keeps pointing us toward the same outcomes. As strange as it sounds, if we don't wipe ourselves out, we somehow already know what the future holds.

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Post by plastic3169 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:56 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #38

Even if you 100% believe in your heart that Altman would never do anything negative with these scans that doesn't mean someone else won't if/when they get access to them. People may trusted 23andMe with their genetic data but now no one knows who will end up owning it and why the buyer believes buying the data is profitable. https://wydaily.com/latest/regional-national/2025/05/08/23an...

It is insane to defend Sam Altman here, but it looks to me that World goes out of their way to not to link the biometric data to identity or even save it. Sure you need to trust the black box but if the company gets taken over there is no data to for the new evil owners to access.

Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball

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Post by nradov » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:57 PM UTC

grumbel wrote: post #63

nradov wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? And how would that even work? Just because an online account is tied to a verified real human doesn't guarantee that the content isn't coming from an AI-bot.

It's a blockchain, so you can keep permanent record of what a person is doing and when and where they got caught violating the rules. It won't stop the infractions from happening at first, but it will make it very easy to avoid them happening again. And if this gets widespread, people might think twice before risking their blockchain personhood certificate.

You're missing the point. How would they get caught violating the rules in the first place? You (and the HN admins) have no way of knowing whether I typed this comment in myself or an AI bot used my account to do it.

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Post by qwertox » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:57 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #38

Even if you 100% believe in your heart that Altman would never do anything negative with these scans that doesn't mean someone else won't if/when they get access to them. People may trusted 23andMe with their genetic data but now no one knows who will end up owning it and why the buyer believes buying the data is profitable. https://wydaily.com/latest/regional-national/2025/05/08/23an...

Same happened with Komoot, a popular German outdoors app. They have millions of tracks and user profiles, it's also a bit of a social network.

From one day to the next they sold to the Italian "developer company" Bending Spoons.

That company acquired Brightcove a few months earlier and several other services like Evernote, Meetup, companies which have nothing to do with "outdooring".

From one day to the next they got access to my 13.000 tracked km, 800 hours of data. My profile is set to private, but now I have to assume that all this data will be sold to advertisers. "Anonymized".

Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball

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Post by caseyy » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:58 PM UTC

Meanwhile, in reality, banks have solved proof of humanity, identity (KYC), and financial services for a long time. Any account in the world can be proven human by making a debit/credit card transaction from a card with a matching name.

For the first time, you can now give your biometrics to OpenAI to do nothing more than you already can. This is just a pure cult of personality.

Re: Sam Altman Wants Your Eyeball

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Post by tim333 » Sat, May 10, 2025, 5:58 PM UTC

I did the worldcoin scan thing a couple of years ago and it's all quite jolly. The article is a bit scaremongering. Re:

>Simply put, the premise is this: scan your eyeball, get a biometric tag, verify yourself, buy our apps (and cryptocurrency). ... Minority Report style technology

it's not really like that. They take a photo of your eye to check you are a new person and not someone who has an account already, then give you an account which is like an anonymous crypto wallet with a private key. You never do an eye scan again in normal use. They give you free crypto/money rather than you needing to buy anything. I've been given ~$300 - it fluctuates a fair bit with crypto prices.

I recommend it to anyone who's curious / positive about new tech.