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Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by graemep »

ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

Ironically, its also an attitude that assumes everyone taking part is from certain groups. Most importantly, that everyone is from the west so racism is predominantly something white people do.

Their inclusivity assumes the unchallenged dominance of their own culture.

As someone who is not white and not entirely western I find it very off putting.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by fosterbuster »

aloisdg wrote: post #33
ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

What a long way to say that you don't understand Karl Popper

What should I understand about Karl Popper?

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by nomdep »

johnny22 wrote: post #37
_Algernon_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was solved before subscriptions took over everything by having to pay for new major versions. You pay once and have a limited duration of updates, after that you stick with the current version or pay again for the upgrade. The benefit of doing it this way was that the user had a choice in upgrading which aligned incentives between users and developers. The developer had to deliver tangible improvements in order…

then there's no money for actual maintenance beyond that say a year.

Which is why Once.com only offers free updates for a year

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by dejj »

chobeat wrote: post #41
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A new federated protocol? or does this provide a different front end to an existing Federated system?

it's a set of plugins built on top of ActivityPub. It's like an intermediate layer.

Reminds me of Urbit. Maybe a HURD server, too.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by Eavolution »

ikt wrote: post #55
chobeat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not participating in Mastodon? Because nobody really wanted a Twitter clone and the project is losing its momentum. Lemmy is 1000x better even if the total amount of users is less in absolute numbers. Why using Bonfire? The first thing that comes up to me from the website is that this model of community-focused development seems more resilient to the wave of AI slop. A small Mastodon instance with 30-40 active pe…

> Lemmy is 1000x better even if the total amount of users is less in absolute numbers This is so true, I've had to put a timer on how much I can use it as I'm addicted like the old school reddit days I think all it'll take is reddit messing up and lemmy.world might be the new front page of the internet

Reddit really messed up a couple of years ago with the killing off of 3rd party apps and u/spez generally being entirely out of touch, that made such an impact that to this day whenever I find a reddit thread on something I usually see a comment along the lines of "contents deleted in protest".

That permanently lost me from reddit, I tried kbin.social for as long as it was up and I really liked using it. I never really got on with lemmy for some reason. The outcome ended up being me just not using reddit like things, and I really don't miss it that much.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by mikae1 »

antfarm wrote: post #24
danpalmer wrote: post #12

I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…

"Bonfire is an open-source framework for building federated digital spaces where people can gather, interact, and form communities online." https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/readme.html Further down the page it says it is built in Elixir with Phoenix/LiveView and PostgreSQL.

> a federated social networking toolkit to customise and host your own online space and control your experience at the most granular level.

Bonfire social is built on it. https://bonfire.cafe is a Bonfire social instance. Looks very Mastodon. Here are some other apps built on Bonfire: https://bonfirenetworks.org/apps/

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by ricardobeat »

mikae1 wrote: post #66
antfarm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bonfire is an open-source framework for building federated digital spaces where people can gather, interact, and form communities online." https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/readme.html Further down the page it says it is built in Elixir with Phoenix/LiveView and PostgreSQL.

> a federated social networking toolkit to customise and host your own online space and control your experience at the most granular level. Bonfire social is built on it. https://bonfire.cafe is a Bonfire social instance. Looks very Mastodon. Here are some other apps built on Bonfire: https://bonfirenetworks.org/apps/

What is "it" though? It's hard to figure out from any of the About page, Design, or the README [1, 2, 3].

Only when getting to the Architecture [4] section much later in the docs, it starts mentioning ActivityPub, but still no useful description of the project - "an unusual piece of software" is the only provided bit. Is it a framework, a new protocol, a network? Looks like the former - an application to write ActivityPub based software, but I'm only 50% sure.

[1] https://bonfirenetworks.org/about/

[2] https://bonfirenetworks.org/design/

[3] https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/readme.html

[4] https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/architecture.html

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by mock-possum »

austin-cheney wrote: post #31
ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

Sigh. There is no such thing as reverse-isms. For example discrimination based on race is racism, objectively. Creating a reverse-ism out of that subjectively singles out a particular identity to champion. An effective code of conduct would not mention such subjectivity in any form.

Reverse isms are just a more specific type of an ism - instead of being wielded by a privilege group against the historically marginalized, it’s the reverse.

I do agree that it’s unkind to treat those two isms differently, or to condone one while tolerating the other - but pretending that there’s not such thing as the ‘reverse’ case seems silly, when it’s so easy to define and easy to IRL.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by doug_durham »

itsanaccount wrote: post #53
danpalmer wrote: post #12

I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…

docs seem pretty straightforward: - Ember - social networking toolkit - Social - fb/activitypub feed like - Community - fb groups (wonder if they have voting based admin) - Open Science - a peer review app? - Coordination - ticket/kanban/w/e productivity software - Cooperation - fb marketplace?

To reiterate what the earlier poster asked "what is it"? Are these 6 fully completed, polished, and ready to use applications? Are they ideas for applications? Are they PoC?

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by Fraterkes »

ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

Here's a salient little exercise for you: if you had to "steelman" this position, this prioritising of "marginalised peoples safety" and (optional) deprioritising of moderating "reverse-isms", how would you do it? Try to make a case for this position you take such umbrage with
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