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The dark side of account bans

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Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by db48x »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #41
db48x wrote: post #35

> She recommended a few cafes, and I went to look at their menus. To my surprise, I couldn’t access their menus. They were only on Instagram, and it’d force a sign in before showing me the content. Wow. There are over 30 restaurants within a mile of where I live, and not one of them uses Instagram to host anything as far as I know. They always have a real web page, even if it’s cobbled together on Wix or some other h…

I doubt they'll stay with custom websites for long, given 1. The new generation grew up with Social Media as a native service and 2. How much easier it is to run a Business account vs your own website

That’s why I mentioned services like Wix. They host your site and give you an online page builder, then you just point your domain at their servers. It’s basically just Geocities, but without the stigma. I believe Square runs one that is fairly popular, and there are others.

No more technical skill is required to use these service than is required to use Instagram, but the difference is that Instagram takes away all control from their users while these services give their users control over everything (except of course that hosting millions of restaurant websites lets these services collect a lot of data about the visitors that they can sell behind the scenes for extra profit, of course).

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by db48x »

antonvs wrote: post #58
db48x wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, mostly it just reminds us that ordinary people are mostly evil. At best they’re purely self–interested. There’s no dissent there. There’s a good book called “Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland” by Christopher Browning which explores this. The Reserve Police Battalions were created by Germany to police captured territory, but they were seen by ordinary Germans as a way to a…

You’re cherry-picking, generalizing without any basis, and apparently projecting.

If you say so then it must be true.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by mschuster91 »

lynx97 wrote: post #36
mschuster91 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... getting rid of too powerful people by means of executing them has been a staple of societies across all cultures for millennia. The fact that people openly cheer on re-introducing this, or on those following through with such plans (Luigi), is just showing how fed up wide masses of society are - and Reddit's admins have been hellbent on quenching even verbal forms of dissatisfaction. The problem is, all that…

Extremism is bad, no matter if it left or right-sided. I have turned away from the left with a huge amount of disgust since I started to realize how hatred is rampant on both sides. Wanting someone dead, and saying so, it a warning sign. Are we supposed to go back to "an eye for an eye"? I for one are happy this "staple" is a thing from the past. Cheering for it coming back is horryfing behaviour.

> Wanting someone dead, and saying so, it a warning sign. Are we supposed to go back to "an eye for an eye"? I for one are happy this "staple" is a thing from the past. Cheering for it coming back is horryfing behaviour.

That's my point. When people see no other way out of resolving the exploding wealth and power inequality crisis than violence, it shows that democracy is on the verge of failure.

It's horrifying, agreed, but it happening is completely understandable IMHO given that democratic systems seem to be completely and thoroughly corrupted by big money.

It's no longer a question if open violence erupts, it's a question of when - and Western governments all seem to ignore the issue and show zero intent to actually do something to ease the life of the wide masses. The system is headed straight for collapse.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by reginald78 »

db48x wrote: post #35

> She recommended a few cafes, and I went to look at their menus. To my surprise, I couldn’t access their menus. They were only on Instagram, and it’d force a sign in before showing me the content. Wow. There are over 30 restaurants within a mile of where I live, and not one of them uses Instagram to host anything as far as I know. They always have a real web page, even if it’s cobbled together on Wix or some other h…

The other day I went to view my kid's elementary school class page and was hit with an instagram login prompt.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by yellow_lead »

immibis wrote: post #19
yellow_lead wrote: post #18

I've reported a lot of prostitution ads on Instagram, but they always responded to the report with "we found nothing wrong". After reporting these ads, Meta decided I liked them and started showing me more and more, but I've given up on reporting them, since no action is taken. Meta seem to not actually check reports. My theory is that they just rely on some percentage of reports maybe relating to followers, reports,…

My Occam's razor is they do whatever makes them the most money. Are the prostitutes paying lots for ads? Leave them up. Are you complaining a bunch and not paying for ads? Ban you. Are people complaining about you a bunch (including 1000 identical complaints from sockpuppets) and you're not paying for ads? Ban you.

Right, banning their customers will lose them money in this case.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by graemep »

yellow_lead wrote: post #18

I've reported a lot of prostitution ads on Instagram, but they always responded to the report with "we found nothing wrong". After reporting these ads, Meta decided I liked them and started showing me more and more, but I've given up on reporting them, since no action is taken. Meta seem to not actually check reports. My theory is that they just rely on some percentage of reports maybe relating to followers, reports,…

The only time I reported anything to Meta, I reported a blatantly racist comment to FB ("do not interbreed with them because they are evil") and the assessment was that it did not breach their community standards.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by antonvs »

db48x wrote: post #62
antonvs wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re cherry-picking, generalizing without any basis, and apparently projecting.

If you say so then it must be true.

The first paragraph of your previous comment states some conclusions that you've assumed.

Your second paragraph gives a single example which is apparently supposed to support that conclusion. That's a definitional example of cherry-picking and hasty generalization.

The projection comes in because it's difficult to see how you would reach those conclusions from the available evidence, unless you're projecting.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by stevage »

I also lost my Facebook account a few years ago, because someone tried to hack it I think.

Similarly there were no open avenues of appeal.

By a big fluke I actually did some work for FB and in the process they unlocked it.

But yeah, monopolies controlling access to public services with no oversight sucks.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by thrance »

graemep wrote: post #66
yellow_lead wrote: post #18

I've reported a lot of prostitution ads on Instagram, but they always responded to the report with "we found nothing wrong". After reporting these ads, Meta decided I liked them and started showing me more and more, but I've given up on reporting them, since no action is taken. Meta seem to not actually check reports. My theory is that they just rely on some percentage of reports maybe relating to followers, reports,…

The only time I reported anything to Meta, I reported a blatantly racist comment to FB ("do not interbreed with them because they are evil") and the assessment was that it did not breach their community standards.

They changed their TOS recently to allow calling LGBT people "mentally ill" or saying racist slurs in an attempt to please the bigoted GOP.

Re: The dark side of account bans

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Post by verzali »

antonvs wrote: post #7

I had a reddit account permanently banned for saying something to the effect that a certain out of control billionaire could be dealt with by launching him into space in an electric vehicle that one of his companies manufactures. Apparently "reddit legal" thought that was a credible threat. I find that strangely encouraging.

Reddit once banned my account for "report abuse". The content I had reported was then removed by them for being against their rules. No amount of appeals could get a response from them.
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