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From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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kccqzy wrote: post #52
caseyy wrote: post #33

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Everyone’s super concerned about security and control, but the best places I worked in were more concerned with freedom. Yes, be savvy about security, protect key assets, but “permissions oversight” about claiming an alias seems excessive. You’ll have 1,000x more headaches and burned operational cash getting everyone to approve everyone else’s every step than handling one security incident in a decade. And even with…

> but the best places I worked in were more concerned with freedom Sure. But if that's the case why do you even have individual email? Make everything a group email and group IM. Not allowed to send messages to a specific person; can only send messages to everyone. What would happen? Can you see the flaw in this logic? Email isn't only for discussing work projects. It needs to be private for discussions involving HR,…

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Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Post by mixmastamyk »

pianoben wrote: post #40
pixl97 wrote: post #35

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>security culture in tech was really quite non-existent This is 1991, the actual number of people on the internet was tiny back then. Things like SMTP servers were commonly open relays (for some reason I'm remembering sendmail being an open relay out of the box). A lot of the internet culture wasn't based on security, but of the premise you shouldn't be a dick. It quickly changed in the next few years as the number o…

Yep! A formative experience of my childhood was working out how to type SMTP commands over telnet and sending mail from billg@microsoft.com to my dad. Such "opportunities" vanished decades ago. Fun times :)

Worked at an aerospace concern in the early 90s… for the first year or so there was no firewall. Yes, my Mac and PC directly on the internet with routable addresses.

I soon set up a website and webcam as they were shipped. CU-See-Me blew my mind. At some point I stood up a Quake server and invited friends to play. ;-)

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Post by mixmastamyk »

madeofpalk wrote: post #22
kccqzy wrote: post #13

It's interesting that they can just reassign an email alias to someone else without any approvals. Could this be a permissions oversight? Or could the person who designed the system thought that heck it's always permitted to reassign an email alias owned by the current user?

It was 1991. They were an up start tech company. It was a different time.

The biggest factor is the small company… same could happen today.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Post by voidspark »

skeletal88 wrote: post #57
rightbyte wrote: post #34

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Have Jobs ever been a compter geek hero? Wozniak is the one people raise to the skys.

Steve is the hero of salesmen, consultants and CEO-s, should not be a hero for geeks and actual developers.

Geeks and developers can have multiple dimensions to their personality.

I respect Steve Jobs for his ruthless and uncompromising focus on quality and his attention to detail. He wasn't just a sales guy.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Post by ralfd »

mattl wrote: post #8

Steve Hayman, long time NeXT/Apple employee who just retired last week from Apple having started in 1993 with NeXT. His WebObjects demo from 2001 is one of the most entertaining tech demos I've ever seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfWnDJtUyrw

Watched only a short time, but the phone call were he pretends to be a lifeline for "who wants to be a millionaire" cracked me up.

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Post by williamdclt »

ryancnelson wrote: post #43

i love this. A startup I was at during early COVID times got acquired into Hewlett Packard Enterprise, so we all became HPE employees with HPE addresses. There was a similar form there to request "ryancnelson"@hpe, etc... One of my co-workers got cute and asked for "root@hpe.com" .... And boy, there's a lot of cron jobs running at HP.

I’m confused why cron jobs would be sending emails to root@hpe.com?

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Post by mattl »

ralfd wrote: post #66
mattl wrote: post #8

Steve Hayman, long time NeXT/Apple employee who just retired last week from Apple having started in 1993 with NeXT. His WebObjects demo from 2001 is one of the most entertaining tech demos I've ever seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfWnDJtUyrw

Watched only a short time, but the phone call were he pretends to be a lifeline for "who wants to be a millionaire" cracked me up.

At one point he asks someone in the front row if EOF is patented, and then blurts out "software patents are evil" amongst other things.

Really refreshing to see.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Post by sublinear »

AIorNot wrote: post #10

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I completely agree. Both emails from Steve Jobs and Tim Cook are totally impersonal and routine. It's entirely possible they weren't even "personally sent" by either.

There's nothing wrong with the stories, just the overall sentiment behind them.

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