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Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by gerash »

eksu wrote: post #19
rikafurude21 wrote: post #16

I dont get the proposition, they want to build DCs in partnering countries to run GPT on? Who is this useful for, except for OpenAI to get lower latency connections to their customers?

Not latencies, think data privacy / keeping queries and data from leaving sovereign borders. This way, if there is some local instance / everything is local than the datacenter and service are subject to local laws and regulations (and alternatively you're not subject to foriegn the laws and regulations (and agencies).

locality is good for resilience and latency but for privacy? how does it work?

How can one audit that the bytes going from a DC in country A to a DC in the US is not the user queries but some telemetry data for example? Presumably you don't get to look at the unencrypted packets

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by roxolotl »

slg wrote: post #60
kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #8

> We want to help these countries, and in the process, spread democratic AI I'm reading this in the same voice as Helldivers 2 "managed democracy"

One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.

I really wish I could know if they are earnestly cosplaying Lex Luther or if they are just deluded. Of course a good Lex Luther cosplay would involve misdirection so it’s basically impossible to know. It doesn’t really matter which one it is because the outcome is similar but it would be very gratifying to know.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by jMyles »

stepanhruda wrote: post #30
jMyles wrote: post #10

...this is not AI for countries. This is AI for _governments_. Those two concepts are diametrically opposed to one another.

Diametrically opposed? They are distinct, but hardly opposed.

Well I guess the time scale is what determines the degree to which the distinction becomes opposition. AI is likely to persist for tens or hundreds of thousands of years in some form. Are any of today's nation states built to last that long? I think we all know the answer.

If you have AI which is in the service of an entity which proclaims itself to be the sole franchise of government authority over a given landmass, it is strictly incorrect to say that this AI is "for the country", because it's perfectly plausible (and on sufficiently long time scales, inevitable) that the country will want to evolve, replace, or deprecate that entity.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by mrcwinn »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52
mrcwinn wrote: post #11

Anyone have something positive to say?

Honest > positive

Well, sure, but that’s irrelevant here.

Most of the commentary is presuming to know something about OpenAI’s motivations. That’s not honesty; it’s just an opinion. So my question stands. Does anyone have a positive opinion?

Here’s a take. For those of us who use their tools in our day to day, we might take for granted that we have the existing and new infrastructure to support that product. Is it more good than bad that other parts of the world could reach beyond their current grasp? I hope so. It might be.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by mrcwinn »

dbalatero wrote: post #57
mrcwinn wrote: post #11

Anyone have something positive to say?

Why should that be a requirement? Do you have anything positive to say?

It’s not a requirement. If it’s just the culture of HN to dunk on certain companies or products, then it is. This place doesn’t belong to me any more than it belongs to you. I am hopeful though that we could encourage more diversity of opinion here. Otherwise it’s exhausting.

And yes, I do, and it’s shared in a different comment. Search if you care to read it.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by orbital-decay »

slg wrote: post #60
kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #8

> We want to help these countries, and in the process, spread democratic AI I'm reading this in the same voice as Helldivers 2 "managed democracy"

One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.

But what are you going to do about it?

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by hayst4ck »

slg wrote: post #60
kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #8

> We want to help these countries, and in the process, spread democratic AI I'm reading this in the same voice as Helldivers 2 "managed democracy"

One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.

That's because there are no consequences for bad behavior, only reward. Game theory dictates that if bad behavior is a winning strategy it will be adopted and propagate until it is the dominant strategy.

The only way it stops becoming a winning strategy is if we provide consequences, but that requires taking personal responsibility for the state of the world, which was a core American value, but doesn't seem to be anymore.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by lm28469 »

> It’s clear to everyone now that this kind of infrastructure is going to be the backbone of future economic growth and national development

lmao, is there a single soul at openai who truly believe this bullshit?

Are they so high on their own supply they can't even tell they're becoming a parody of a black mirror evil corp?

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