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Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

d3ckard wrote: post #34
lapcat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make any sense, because Apple still reviews every submission to the App Store. The judge didn't abolish app review. Nothing has changed in that respect. Only section 3.1 of the App Review Guidelines changed. Everything else is still the same. [EDIT:] nextworddev has now edited their post to say "Lol". Originally, the post said that this would open up the floodgates to scam apps. nextworddev also replied…

What inventive Apple has to have the review process in place (which is costly) if they cannot profit from apps? To be clear, I think that 30% was unreasonable from the start, but 10% would be fine in my book and a fair exchange of value.

Apple still owns the only way for users¹ to install apps in their iphones². Moreover, many small developers will still pay apple to handle their payments³.

¹Regular users, almost all users. ²In the US, where this order applies. ³The sales volume is not enough to justify processing the payment outside the platform.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by mschuster91 »

maccard wrote: post #43
swiftcoder wrote: post #14

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You mean the model that has shifted to where apps that used to be a single $10 unlock, now have a recurring subscription of $24.99/month? Personally unclear how much less predatory the shift to subscriptions for trivial feature unlocks is than loot boxes...

What app used to be $10 and is now a $300/year subscription?

Try to keep Tetris ad free. 6.99 a month, and they label that as a "special deal".

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by nicce »

arghwhat wrote: post #52
JanSt wrote: post #7

Only in the US feels like shooting themselves in the foot again. The EU is already cracking down on them for their malicious compliance with the DMA, and it’s only a matter of time before similar pressure builds

The problem is that "shooting themselves in the foot" also translates to "earning more money for a longer time".

We need some courage to give larger fines. It is too common to calculate fines just as financial risk rather than something which you should not do because it is not a good thing. It is obvious that they are making more money than the possible fines are when they still continue doing this. Or just put persons responsible for company's ill decisions and suddenly all problems disappear.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by arghwhat »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #13
dartharva wrote: post #5

In the same article: 3.1.1 In-App Purchase: If you want to unlock features or functionality within your app, (by way of example: subscriptions, in-game currencies, game levels, access to premium content, or unlocking a full version), you must use in-app purchase. Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, cryptocurrencies and cr…

Why not? I'd personally never go somewhere else to pay for your subscription or content. Maybe if you were a big time player that didn't have an appealing alternative, like Netflix. But for the average app, like Planta or Breethe, I'm just switching to an app that has an in app purchase if yours doesn't. Semi-related, but I also always pick an app that has family sharing of subscription over one that doesn't too (Hea…

> I'd personally never go somewhere else to pay for your subscription or content.

When "going elsewhere" means "getting stuff cheaper", people are likely going to go elsewhere to pay for any subscription even if setup is notably less convenient.

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Post by deeThrow94 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #44
deeThrow94 wrote: post #38

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> So it adds legitimacy to the free market spirit seen in markets like EU, which has been criticized for making up arbitrary rules for self-interest. I'm confused a) who is taking the concept of free markets seriously, especially in this context where markets (and competition) are arbitrarily defined and owned by corporations and and b) who would view self-interested laws as either surprising or bad? Of course laws a…

This is HN, the Church of the Free Market is well represented. If you haven't yet seen someone give the "free markets create competition" speech on Monday and the "my company aims to capture this space and then entrench a monopoly with economies of scale / network effects / platform effects / two sided markets / last mile dynamics" pitch on Tuesday, just hang around HN a bit more. You won't have to wait long.

I had thought the clear need for anti-trust had tickled down to the plebs on here. Unfortunate to see that people still casually refer to free markets as if it's a meaningful concept.

If you really truly think that regulation is dragging down some market, it's easy to talk about in specific terms. It is only possible to employ "free markets" in bad faith.

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Post by alt227 »

maccard wrote: post #41
alt227 wrote: post #24

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The App store and native apps are not one and the same. OP didnt say that native apps need to die, only the app store. Android ecosystem deals just fine with native apps being distributed in .apk format which can just easily be installed by the user clicking on the file. Why cant this happen on Apple devices too?

If you think the android ecosystem is just fine as it is, why don’t you just use it instead of trying to change one that many other people are happy with?

I do use it, and as far as I am aware I am not trying to change anything?

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by [deleted] »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #9

I don't get it. Why is Apple changing this in the US now? Is it because the allegation of them lying under oath and being subjected to a criminal review? If so, how does this change absolves them or minimises their fate during the upcoming criminal trial against them?

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Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by revskill »

owebmaster wrote: post #22
hnlmorg wrote: post #19

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Ironically the App Store only exists because of the ridicule Apple received when they announced their new smartphone which then only supported 3rd party applications as web apps. Back then, native apps were considered a “must have” feature for smartphones. How times have changed.

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What does grown up mean ?

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by coldcode »

At the risk of not piling on to the Apple dislike here, if you use a non-Apple payment system, and you have an issue, you now need to go to the specific company and payment system, you can no longer demand your money back by dealing with a single company. I presume even more scam apps will take your money and ignore your complaints; imagine trying to sue a company in some foreign country to try to get your money back if they stole it. When Apple controlled the payment system, Apple could be sued in your home country. Of course this happens on the web too, but apps on your phone very different from web apps.

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

protimewaster wrote: post #29
fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #13

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Why not? I'd personally never go somewhere else to pay for your subscription or content. Maybe if you were a big time player that didn't have an appealing alternative, like Netflix. But for the average app, like Planta or Breethe, I'm just switching to an app that has an in app purchase if yours doesn't. Semi-related, but I also always pick an app that has family sharing of subscription over one that doesn't too (Hea…

The wording here seems, to me, to have some silly limitations. For example, there are apps I have thought would make a nice gift for a friend before, and the easiest way to do this is to buy an unlock key and send it to them. But, with these rules, I guess the goal is that I have to send them a gift card instead? I'll just not bother and get them something else.

Probably.

Though you could make the argument that it would be more complex than it's worth. There's regional issues, like can I redeem your gift code from cdkeys.ru in the US. Can I return the app afterward if I don't want it for a 160 rubles credit? They might already need to handle that stuff for gift cards though.

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