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Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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The creation of the trump coin is a signal to the crypto community that the SEC will stop going after crypto companies. I have read alot of people who ended up going into crypto and some even getting lucrative investment from Andreeson horowitz, lightspeed, etc etc. And then one day, they get a letter in the mail saying they are now a Politically Exposed Entity (PEE). Then all of their banks drop them, they can't get credit and they can't get loans. The SEC put out a letter saying "Come work with us", and when the founders tried, they would become a PEE instantly. There was no recourse with the SEC, and many smart people ended up completely losing their lives. The only way they could get back to 'real' life, was by trying to go into a different industry and 'avoid the eye' which was, who knows?

Now, as the trump + melania coin acting as a grift, instead of "alternative funding mechanism". I mean, you could already 'donate' directly to the president, and even get a tax writeoff for it. Atleast this way you'll have to pay capital gains. You could already pay $1m to get a audience with the president, how is this any different? Hunter Biden made multi-million dollar deals, and got paid 50k a month for a being on various boards... despite being a known drugie.

the "Top 200 holders" get a dinner with the president. Not saying it's better or worse, just saying it's pretty much the same thing that every president has had access to.

It's not that i entirely believe all of this, but i would like to provide some counter weight to all the comments that are all just parroting "Grift".

Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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post #46

The amount of corruption and incompetence ignored by his base is staggering. This is all because they don’t like immigration?

It's not new and it's far more broad than that. The staggering government corruption and incompetence has been ignored for decades. You can't just pretend that this is suddenly new and one sided if you want to solve the problem.

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post #46

The amount of corruption and incompetence ignored by his base is staggering. This is all because they don’t like immigration?

No, the current system does not work for most of the people hence the "just nuke it" option sounds like a rational one. Canadian elections show that people can change their mind overnight, but unfortunately some of the changes that happened in the US institutions and the global relations will take decades to reverse (if ever).

> the current system does not work for most of the people

Bullshit. America is the richest country on earth. Your unemployment is remarkably low. Your disposable income is relatively high. And all the issues you complain about, like housing, are worse outside the US than in the US.

Moreover, a lot of the MAGA people are NOT working class struggling families. There are a lot of middle class middle aged low digit millionaires who are certainly not hurting for anything, but for some reason really love Trump.

Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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I was a big enough believer in crypto to literally start a company in this space only to leave it completely disenchanted and deeply pessimistic about the direction of the industry. I felt that there were many real legal and regulatory challenges that governments just didn't want to deal with. No government wants to enable money laundering, black markets, corruption and terrorism; or so I thought!

Now we're in a situation that's so much worse than I ever imagined -- Trump coins are vehicles for naked bribery and corruption with a sprinkle of encryption on top. I was worried about black markets, Trump has literally been using his office to grant access to top holders of his scam coin.

This is a big lesson for everyone about why some degree of regulation is necessary.

Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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post #46

The amount of corruption and incompetence ignored by his base is staggering. This is all because they don’t like immigration?

It's not new and it's far more broad than that. The staggering government corruption and incompetence has been ignored for decades. You can't just pretend that this is suddenly new and one sided if you want to solve the problem.

This both sides thing is so naive. One side is far more corrupt than the other.

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Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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post #46

The amount of corruption and incompetence ignored by his base is staggering. This is all because they don’t like immigration?

How did you feel about the Biden family’s blatant corruption? Do you really think that Hunter Biden was an amazing artist and brilliant corporate energy sector lawyer that is just falling on hard times now like the rest of us? It’s a weird coincidence that he can’t sell his paintings anymore now that his Dad isn’t politically relevant anymore.

Joe’s brother has also made a lot of money off of questionable government contracts.

Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

#68

This article is soft peddling corruption, and it confirms that Trump takes bribes via his cryptocurrency operation.

The fact that Bitcoin (and kin) turbocharges corruption, and its success is a direct result of doing so on a wide scale (the whole point is to undermine state power by dwpriving it of control over currency) is proof to the armchair economist Bitcoin supporters that it is "sound money" and things like facilitating a market for circulation of child porn at one end and open political grift at the other, are welcomed as signs that the *experiment" is working as intended in their winner-corrupts-all bitcoin maximalist worldview.

Its called kleptocurrency for good reason.

Those who support it on philosophical grounds will destruction on everyone else for the sake of their own gain, and should be viewed with all possible hostility as they constitute an intentional community of public enemies in the plainest possible sense.

Re: Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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The creation of the trump coin is a signal to the crypto community that the SEC will stop going after crypto companies. I have read alot of people who ended up going into crypto and some even getting lucrative investment from Andreeson horowitz, lightspeed, etc etc. And then one day, they get a letter in the mail saying they are now a Politically Exposed Entity (PEE). Then all of their banks drop them, they can't get…

Shouting over and over again, “This is normal” doesn’t make something morally acceptable.

If any of this is (arguably) normal we should tear down the systems that support these norms. They are bad norms. The solution is never, “Welp, people are corrupt, what can you do?” You start making changes in the legal system. Because if you don’t you’re giving the country away as though there were no other course of action.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not new and it's far more broad than that. The staggering government corruption and incompetence has been ignored for decades. You can't just pretend that this is suddenly new and one sided if you want to solve the problem.

This both sides thing is so naive. One side is far more corrupt than the other.

It's naive and dismissive of the corruption to think it's not both sides. You're literally only seeing half the picture.
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