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NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Let's be clear, most Americans like paycheck to paycheck and can't afford losing a job or being arrested for saying antigoverment stuff

The starving peasants in could afford it, right?

The trick is to keep the poor people poor, but not too poor. Nothing left to lose and all that...

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Pretty distressing at how there’s basically zero pushback from the American elites at the destruction of all strategic American advantages and only ineffective pushback from the public. There will be entire genres of books written about how America just said “eh” to being gutted by a bunch of rich psychopaths.

Well, this is want American Elites want - so they can buy up the pieces at a discount.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

Resigning sends a signal to the people under you and outside the organization that fighting back is ok. Staying sends the message that things are ok enough.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Mental health perhaps? If the administration is making the organisations job impossible it could be an incredibly awful time to stay. I don't believe I owe anyone my sanity.

yea that seems to be a common theme with people. Nothing is bigger than them or more important than their own personal mental health. I can't take it myself so I'm just going to roll over and not stand for any principle or fight for any cause because that's just too much for me to handle. And besides you're just one person so what difference is it going to make anyways. Same thing why people don't vote. It's not like…

You can do nothing of value if your mental health is declining. Best thing to do is seek shelter somewhere, for some time, to heal. You may do something of value at a later time. If you allow mental health to deteriorate there may be no comeback, ever.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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One thing I don't understand is people resigning on principles. If something bad is happening to an organization that I hold a significant amount of clout and power in, I'm not just going to leave and hand the reigns to someone on 'their side' -- I'm going to stay and fight and try to make whatever impact I can. So many people are just leaving...instead of fighting. Which seems like it's going to have the effect of j…

NSF director is a political appointee, as such serves the will of the President. We don't need those people "fighting," we need to elect the people we want to make the right appointments.

Well, I’ve come to learn the best leaders hire people who do fight them. The key is that they’re transparently open to being fought, take all sides under consideration, give deference when they don’t have to, but expect compliance when they make a decision.

I think we are in a situation where none of the above is happening, so you end up with a globally pessimal decisioning system where you push out the thought leaders and consensus builders and replace them with either people too stupid to have an opinion or just devious enough to appease their master while imposing their will. It’s the most toxic of all work places.

I feel genuine sorrow for all federal employees, contractors, and people who do business with or receive money from this government. I’ve worked in both environments, and what’s happening is going to crush a lot of human souls in what was already a pretty soul crushing environment to begin with.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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He was already obeying in advance before DOGE got there, but I guess that wasn't enough. I fear very bad news is coming.

I have to wonder what DOGE (including the alleged wunderkind Farritor that all the SV VCs were hailing) is planning for NSF. It’s amazing the arrogance of these people, to walk in and just do “hulk smash” on decades of hard work, infrastructure and institutional capacity.

It's fairly straightforward really. Academics will work on whatever grant topics are available, most will do anything for money, so expect lots of grants on topics directly benefiting X.ai, Tesla, Neuralink, or SpaceX.

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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Pretty distressing at how there’s basically zero pushback from the American elites at the destruction of all strategic American advantages and only ineffective pushback from the public. There will be entire genres of books written about how America just said “eh” to being gutted by a bunch of rich psychopaths.

Well, this is want American Elites want - so they can buy up the pieces at a discount.

I keep hearing this. But for that to work, the elites have to have a bunch of money available, that didn't lose value when everything fell apart. Well, where are they parking that money right now, that won't lose value when everything else does?

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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post #55

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NSF director is a political appointee, as such serves the will of the President. We don't need those people "fighting," we need to elect the people we want to make the right appointments.

Well, I’ve come to learn the best leaders hire people who do fight them. The key is that they’re transparently open to being fought, take all sides under consideration, give deference when they don’t have to, but expect compliance when they make a decision. I think we are in a situation where none of the above is happening, so you end up with a globally pessimal decisioning system where you push out the thought leade…

>I think we are in a situation where none of the above is happening

What leads you to believe the guy hasn't fought? He literally said "I have done all I can." Do you want him to create so much conflict that he is forced to leave in disgrace, burning every bridge he comes across? Or is it OK that a good guy fights behind the scenes, and resigns with grace when he has lost that fight?

Re: NSF director to resign amid grant terminations, job cuts, and controversy

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I have to wonder what DOGE (including the alleged wunderkind Farritor that all the SV VCs were hailing) is planning for NSF. It’s amazing the arrogance of these people, to walk in and just do “hulk smash” on decades of hard work, infrastructure and institutional capacity.

It's fairly straightforward really. Academics will work on whatever grant topics are available, most will do anything for money, so expect lots of grants on topics directly benefiting X.ai, Tesla, Neuralink, or SpaceX.

There's multiple reasons why what you said is just wrong.

First, if academics wanted to work on topics mandated by somebody else, they would go work in industry for that somebody, and earn much more money than they earn right now.

Second, most academic scientists do not do anything relevant to Musk's companies. Do you expect a chemist to pivot to self-driving cars? Or a pure mathematician to whatever X.ai is doing?

The only thing this will lead to is a destruction of American capacity to carry out independent scientific research.

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