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Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by sdesol »

627467 wrote: post #59
rudedogg wrote: post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

Hey we all want to keep and eat the cake, but I'm (kinda?) surprised that people expect these services that have been trained on large swaths of "available" data and now don't want to contribute. Even if you're paying: why the selfishness?

I think it is more of, LLMs should be treated as a utility service. Unless Google and others can clearly show the training data involved, the price that providers can charge for LLMs should be capped. I have no issue with contributing my conversations and my open source code, and I should expect in return a fair price.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by isjustintime »

simonw wrote: post #9
rudedogg wrote: post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

Yeah that's a bad look. If I have an API key visible in my code does that get packaged up as a "prompt" automatically? Could it be spat out to some other user of a model in the future? (I assume that there's a reason that wouldn't happen, but it would be nice to know what that reason is.)

I'm also interested in the details on how this works in practice. I know that there was a front page post a few weeks ago about how Cursor worked, and there was a short blurb about how sets of security prompts told the LLM to not do things like hard code API keys, but nothing on the training side.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by moshegramovsky »

amiantos wrote: post #31

Cursor and Windsurf pricing really turned me off. I prefer Claude Code's direct API costs, because it feels more quantifiable to me cost wise. I can load up Claude Code, implement a feature, and close it, and I get a solid dollar value of how much that cost me. It makes it easier for me to mentally write off the low cost of wasteful requests when the AI gets something wrong or starts to spin its wheels. With Cursor/W…

I'm paying $30/month for Gemini. It's worth every damn penny and then some and then some and then some. It's absolutely amazing at code reviews. Much more thorough than a human code reviewer, including me. It humbles me sometimes, which is good. Unless you can't use Google products, I'd seriously give it a try.

Now, I do still use ChatGPT sometimes. It recently helped me find a very simple solution to a pretty obscure compiler error that I'd never encountered in my several decades long career as a developer. Gemini didn't even get close.

Most of the other services seem focused on using the AWS pay-as-you-go pricing model. It's okay to use that pricing model but it's not easy for me to pitch it at work when I can't say exactly what the monthly cost is going to be.

I still love being a developer, but, knowing what I know now, I feel like I'd like it a lot less without Gemini. I'm much more productive and less stressed too. And I want to add, about the stress: being a developer is stressful sometimes. It can be a cold, quiet stress too, not necessarily a loud, hot stress. AI helps solve so many little problems very quickly, what to add/remove from a make file, why my code isn't linking. Or tricky stuff like using intrinsics. Holy fuck! It's really amazeballs.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by geor9e »

I really dislike credits based pricing. It just doesn't feel good. Cursor $20/mo plan lasts me about a week before it becomes unusably slow. I'm fine with slow requests, but recently it will literally not even begin a response for over a minute. Really hoping costs come down or someone figures out a real unlimited plan for these agent coders.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by ramesh31 »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #60
ramesh31 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Claude code is neither free nor open source. "Free" as in no "middleman accounts" or other nonsense. You pay the base token rate directly to Anthropic, and that's it.

>"Free" as in [.....y]ou pay [...] Possibly the worst comment I've ever read on this site. And, by 'possibly', I mean 'most definitely'.

There's no such thing as "completely free" when it comes to LLM usage. Everyone knows that. But there are two different tiers of tools now. The "free" ones that use API keys directly, and the premium ones like Windsurf that operate on their own credit system. So yes, "free" is a meaningfully useful distinction here, in that you incur no cost for the tool itself.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by arresin »

rudedogg wrote: post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

Nope literally never going to use it because of this.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by [deleted] »

moshegramovsky wrote: post #63
amiantos wrote: post #31

Cursor and Windsurf pricing really turned me off. I prefer Claude Code's direct API costs, because it feels more quantifiable to me cost wise. I can load up Claude Code, implement a feature, and close it, and I get a solid dollar value of how much that cost me. It makes it easier for me to mentally write off the low cost of wasteful requests when the AI gets something wrong or starts to spin its wheels. With Cursor/W…

I'm paying $30/month for Gemini. It's worth every damn penny and then some and then some and then some. It's absolutely amazing at code reviews. Much more thorough than a human code reviewer, including me. It humbles me sometimes, which is good. Unless you can't use Google products, I'd seriously give it a try. Now, I do still use ChatGPT sometimes. It recently helped me find a very simple solution to a pretty obscur…

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Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by Havoc »

simonw wrote: post #9
rudedogg wrote: post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

Yeah that's a bad look. If I have an API key visible in my code does that get packaged up as a "prompt" automatically? Could it be spat out to some other user of a model in the future? (I assume that there's a reason that wouldn't happen, but it would be nice to know what that reason is.)

I wonder how hard it is to fish the keys out of the model weights later with prompting . Presumably possible to literally brute force it by giving it the first couple chars and maybe an env variable name and asking it to complete it

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by hyperhopper »

ramesh31 wrote: post #48
cirrus3 wrote: post #33

Anything the requires me to use a different IDE is a non-starter for me. I can imagine it is a lot easier to develop these things as a custom version of VSCode instead of plugins/extensions for a handful of the popular existing IDEs, but is that really a good long term plan? Is the future going to be littered with a bunch of one-off custom IDEs? Does anyone want that future?

>Anything the requires me to use a different IDE is a non-starter for me. Windsurf is, ultimately, just an IDE extension. They shipped a forked VSCode with their branding for... some reason. But the extension is available in practically every IDE/editor.

Yeah, using VSCode is a different IDE

Why do you assume everybody uses that?

If the product can't be used with the infinitely hackable emacs or vim, that's a shortcoming of the product.

Re: An update to our pricing

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Post by freedomben »

moshegramovsky wrote: post #63
amiantos wrote: post #31

Cursor and Windsurf pricing really turned me off. I prefer Claude Code's direct API costs, because it feels more quantifiable to me cost wise. I can load up Claude Code, implement a feature, and close it, and I get a solid dollar value of how much that cost me. It makes it easier for me to mentally write off the low cost of wasteful requests when the AI gets something wrong or starts to spin its wheels. With Cursor/W…

I'm paying $30/month for Gemini. It's worth every damn penny and then some and then some and then some. It's absolutely amazing at code reviews. Much more thorough than a human code reviewer, including me. It humbles me sometimes, which is good. Unless you can't use Google products, I'd seriously give it a try. Now, I do still use ChatGPT sometimes. It recently helped me find a very simple solution to a pretty obscur…

How do you get Gemini to do a code review? Do you just paste the code into the web UI?
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